I was lucky to win this game. (My oponent left aji for me to make my group alive)
Howhever I really want to learn better how to make good stable groups.
Around move 88 I sacrifice any potential on the bottom to be able to get a group into the center.
I think this is reasonable because the black stones on top are not alive yet.
Howhever I handled this group not too well I think.

So my main question is how to make this group stable and ressiliant.

Also if you have any tips on what kind of tsumego I should do to be able create better shapes for my groups please let me know.

I'm white.

Thanks !
Otenki

Move 24 is really interesting. At first glance, move 22 looks bad, but then 24 feels really sophisticated because it makes 22 work. Did you find 22/24 in a pro game? Or did you just play this on your own?

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Generally, by the time you reach your level the question is not how to create stable groups, but whether.

Without looking at the game, maybe the problem is not sacrificing stones.

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@Joaz Banbeck:

I've learned these two moves from a korean go teacher, I believe it was Inseong.
Howhever NOT in this context, also it didn't turn out the way I thought they would.
I did not forsee 25, which prevented me from creating kindoff influence.

Instead I got thickness which is also fine I guess.

Normaly the sequence is something like:



@Bill Spight:

In my opinion in this case I have enough aji and it is necisary to create this group.
The only question is what are the best moves to create this group while attacking or threatening or ...

Hey Otenki,

The only pro sequence I can find with the same position as yours after is the following:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . 6 . O . . . ,
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 5 4 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 3 2 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]

Both your approach and black tenuki'ing it seem to be very rare for what it's worth.

The game it's from:



As you can see it wasn't originally a Black corner.

Boidhre:

I just applied an out of context idea to the situation.
Look at my example of how it *should* be used. (afaik)

My approach was wierd because it was free (a ladder breaker for the other bottem joseki).

Cheers,
Otenki

I'm not criticising. Just trying to provide you with information.

E16 also breaks the ladder and puts some more pressure on Black. I've no idea if it's better here though assuming a Black tenuki.

Some comments.



Main focus: Avoid playing where your opponent is strong.

If you play where your opponent is strong, you can expect to find it difficult to create stable groups.

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Just a few comments.

I think the way you attacked the middle group was weird.

but I like that squeeze tesuji. I'm going to look for that in my games now :]

Yep, like Bill says, you play too close to the opponent's strength. And if you must do so, play lightly.



Still, you did not do badly after 25, IMHO.

BTW, good fighting at the end.

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Thank you so much guys, Seems like I have a lot to learn.
I'll try to replay and check all of the suggested variations.

Cheers,
Otenki