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 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #61 Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:10 pm 
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So, I'm looking at this and saying, wth do I do? If I continue to run, I can hope to get influence in the center. The right side is mine, so black sending a runner between us is diminishing returns, therefore what is his plan there? The longer the run to the center, the better the chance of that group surviving. I guess my plan at this point is to run to the middle then cut behind the upper right star point with a 3-3 joseki or 3-4 and reduce. After that, look to strengthen my position on the lower right vs invade C8-D8.


This idea that "the right side is mine" is quite premature in this case. White is very thin there and if black builds a wall facing that thinness in the process of attacking the center group, black could easily invade there and on the bottom side as well to greatly diminish white's overall prospects.

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Post #62 Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:13 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


quietimes: your most recent move is mislabeled as move 21. It should be 20, with my move here being 21. Not that it's a big deal, just FYI.

As I'm playing, I'm not entirely sure I'm running along the correct side. My initial thought with move 19 was that I didn't want him to be able to connect his center group to the right side somewhere around O13. However, in chasing his center group, I can't say how I'm going to profit...

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Post #63 Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:01 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So here are my thoughts now. Running this line to the end doesn't seem to be the right play, though I have no doubt black will follow me. I thought about making a base starting @ J17
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$$ | . . . X . . . X 4 . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However that seemed like a small and conservative move. I looked to the right and felt that there was a risk that black could split my territory Q/R 12.
Probably elephant and mouse analogy.
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$$ | . . . X . . . X 4 . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So ultimately I decided to put down some threat with an R16, hopefully forcing black to respond while I reduce and increase my stability in the upper right corner. Still need to figure out how to work the bottom right corner to my advantage.

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Post #64 Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:05 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe too aggressive. However, since I decided at the outset of this game that I was going to be more aggressive than I find comfortable, I feel like this move fits. Thought about replying in the upper right-hand corner (hane or extension) but I feel that this has potential to be bigger. This is my first time playing a game that follows this kind of path, so I can't say that with any certainty. On the bright side, my life issues have gotten better, so now I can sleep at night.

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On the bright side, my life issues have gotten better, so now I can sleep at night.
That's nice. Congrats.

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Post #66 Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:53 pm 
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Well to be different I will start with my comments first. I think I mentioned doing this same move myself earlier. Maybe not. Very frustrating, cause there is no great move to save this. Black will push me into his influenced area on the top left [read hammer on anvil type strategy].
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



If I extend, which I expect black expects me to do then he will hane and we will have the "box of doo".
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 5 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 8 . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Which is just messy and small to me for my profit.

So rather than respond as predicted by black, I'm going to reduce, try for a forced response and either make a run to try and save my group or just reduce and come back later to survive. The bottom right corner is still very weak and I don't want to chase dreams when there is big profit in front of me.
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 5 . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . 7 6 . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


buuuuuut I could try to persude the run to the left and gain influence on the lower right corner
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So, I think I will do the last play, commit to the sequence and realize I over-thought the whole thing. blow a gasket and start over again on the next move.


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$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 5 . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #67 Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:45 am 
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ikkyu,
ikkyu wrote:
On the bright side, my life issues have gotten better, so now I can sleep at night.
That's nice. Congrats.


I took this out of the spoilers because it obviously doesn't give anything of the game away.

To make a long story somewhat shorter, I've been with my wife for almost 12 years now. A lot can change in that time, especially since we got together when she was 19 and I was 20. We've gone from one side of this country to the other and back. We've gone through job and career changes (When we started, I was a martial arts instructor and she was studying to work in a PR firm. Now I work a general office job and she runs an in-home daycare). We've bought a house and had a kid.

In that time, a lot of conflicts and bad feelings can develop, especially if, like us, you don't make it a point to deal with them when they occur. Instead, we just sort of avoided them or kept them inside until it blew up in our faces. So we're now working through our issues, working on forgiving each other for past transgressions and hurts, and trying to make things better going forward. And while there have been a lot of sleepless nights on both our parts, as well as a lot of stress, we both think this is worth it.

I know this really isn't the place for this, but one advantage the anonimity of the internet offers is the ability to talk about these kind of things openly without too much fear of real-life reprecussions. I live in a small town where telling one person is often tantamount to telling everyone.

So sorry for the diatribe and the spelling errors (I'm a terrible speller).

I promise I'll make my next move after the insanity of the 4th of July dies down, either tomorrow or Saturday.


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Post #68 Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:32 am 
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Got a few free minutes I didn't expect.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems the natural response.

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Post #69 Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:01 pm 
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So I'm thinking here that the right move is to hane the two stone group with the idea of building influnce to the bottom right corner at a later time. I still feel like I'm at a great deficit here, even though the game is early. My goal is to build the lower right corner and fire some runs along F, H and K lines to reduce black.
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X 3 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ofcourse black could just opt to do the same and extend to the left
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . 5 4 . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Dunno. could go either way. I believe he is going to prioritize the left middle/corner by pushing into the bottom mid and try to get away with what he can in the lower right corer. Probably make some distracting moves in the upper mid/right side where we ran earlier.

We shall see. Very much enjoying the game however.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #70 Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:09 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As before, this seems the most reasonable move. I've been wanting to reduce/invade the bottom right for some time now. Methinks the time for this draws near. Unless qt connects at M8, this hane seems to create a fair amount of aji.

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Post #71 Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:09 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no shame is saying I don't know what I'm doing on the coding side. Please feel free to correct Ikkyu.

And here we go.

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Post #72 Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:53 am 
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$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Don't worry about it. You're doing better than I did the first time I played one of these.

I've wanted to play this move for quite some time now. It's one of a few moves that I felt I had to make but the time never really seemed right. I thought about attaching at F5, but why complicate matters?

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Post #73 Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:06 pm 
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So, a little doubt here. I see black building a wall and influence as predicted to control the left lower corner and side. Doubt because he blocked my lanes for a reduction run up the left side. My thought on this play is to push a little more into his territory, thereby hopefully increasing my hold and forcing a response out of him.

If this works, will decide between rounding on the upper right stone to steal the corner or reduce the left upper middle with my 4 stone runner.

Still concerned about the right lower corner but I dont want to give away sente. If I take the move to defend, it will likely be a two point jump out the side. Far enough for influence, close enough to support each other.


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$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #74 Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:13 pm 
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So, a little doubt here. I see black building a wall and influence as predicted to control the left lower corner and side. Doubt because he blocked my lanes for a reduction run up the left side. My thought on this play is to push a little more into his territory, thereby hopefully increasing my hold and forcing a response out of him.

If this works, will decide between rounding on the upper right stone to steal the corner or reduce the left upper middle with my 4 stone runner.

Still concerned about the right lower corner but I dont want to give away sente. If I take the move to defend, it will likely be a two point jump out the side. Far enough for influence, close enough to support each other.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm a little surprised that no one is paying attention to the status of that 4 stone group, which currently has no eyes and is getting surrounded more and more. Playing to make eyeshape there seems urgent and doubles as a reduction. The more white plays on the outside, the more black does, and that hurts white's inside group as black gets stronger.

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Post #75 Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:23 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thoroughly gote, but I felt that my knee-jerk response of H8 would be too greedy. Besides, this tightens the noose somewhat on white's top group. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that if I can get 2 of the following moves, I'll be well on my way to winning this game: Q17, D2, P12, H13

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Post #76 Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:21 pm 
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FYI, I'm going to be out of town until Sunday evening/night. I'll probably be back Monday morning to play more questionable moves.

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Post #77 Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:17 pm 
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So, Not exactly what I expected however I can work with this. My guess is black was looking for a dual purpose with the last stone, to gain influence in the left side and top middle. I believe that I can make life in that little four stone group and reduce the black area. Doing this should keep me in sente (certainly enough incentive for black in stopping my reduction. What I need to do is keep up the moves until I can tenuki and build up my bottom right corner. If I can reduce with even with the smalles of two eyes, I think I can swing the balance of the game in my favour.

Having said that, I plan to enbark on H16, guessing he will occupy on the outside
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 5 4 . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then black will like do one of two things, keep up the G line (15) or try to cut under. My guess is Cut under.
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[go]$$Bcm29
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 7 . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 5 4 8 O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


or

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 8 . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 5 4 7 O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Either way, a convincing argument to respond to my moves. In my mind anyways.


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . . O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 4 . O . X . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . O . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Safe travels.

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Post #78 Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:19 am 
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ikkyu wrote:
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As before, this seems the most reasonable move. I've been wanting to reduce/invade the bottom right for some time now. Methinks the time for this draws near. Unless qt connects at M8, this hane seems to create a fair amount of aji.

The bottom right is big - and wide open - but notice that making white play more moves in the centre weakens any invasion you make later on. Also, the top right and bottom left are big too. Why get into a messy invasion when you could just as easily prevent a big reduction? Some quick continuations make the difference in terms of claim on the corner clear:

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Post #79 Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:30 am 
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I'd be more tempted to attack the White stones at the top before playing at top right (or anywhere else, for that matter). :b1: should be very strong. It takes away eyespace, protects territory, and keeps the attack going. White would live (most probably), but Black would get to make much territory in the process. Then, Black can invade White's potential territories elsewhere on the board.
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 Post subject: Re: #218 Quietimes vs Ikkyu
Post #80 Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:53 pm 
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The Intrepid wrote:
I'd be more tempted to attack the White stones at the top before playing at top right (or anywhere else, for that matter). :b1: should be very strong. It takes away eyespace, protects territory, and keeps the attack going. White would live (most probably), but Black would get to make much territory in the process. Then, Black can invade White's potential territories elsewhere on the board.
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Completely agree - but I found that 'attacking for profit' was a concept I picked up much later than 'preventing a loss = making a gain'. I was responding to the comment rather than the board. :)

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