Reflex epilepsy induced by playing Go-stop or Baduk games

tchan001 · #1

I was surfing the search engines about go topics and found the existance of this interesting scientific paper.
Reflex epilepsy induced by playing Go-stop or Baduk games
Any thoughts on this subject?

Buri · #2

quite frankly, this kind of article makes me froth at the mouth.

Joaz Banbeck · #3

What is ''go-stop'? ( The words are too common for an effectivesearch )

palapiku · #4

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

What is ''go-stop'? ( The words are too common for an effectivesearch )

They are? Have you tried it?

TheBigH · #5

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

What is ''go-stop'? ( The words are too common for an effectivesearch )

According to the article, "The Go-stop game is a poker-like card game played by two to four persons usually for recreation in Korea. "

tchan001 · #6

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

What is ''go-stop'? ( The words are too common for an effectivesearch )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go-Stop
found it on my first search

shapenaji · #7

The study consisted of 11 subjects. That's representative of...something.

Boidhre · #8

shapenaji wrote:

The study consisted of 11 subjects. That's representative of...something.

Eh. Reflex epilepsy is usually known to us as the one caused by lights or videogames but it can (much more rarely) be caused by things like reading and other mental activities. They don't need a large sample here for it to be interesting, they're just showing for a small subset of the epileptic population that baduk and card games can be triggering. No big deal, if something like reading can do it it's not that weird that go might as well. It's not saying that go causes epilepsy or any nonsense like that or discovering a new triggering mechanism class for reflex epilepsy (i.e. mental activities like reading, playing games etc).

I've seen stranger ones, like a guy I knew who could go into a quite dramatic seizure if he revealed personal information, e.g. he gave me his phone number and ended up in a fit for a few minutes.

shapenaji · #9

Boidhre wrote:

shapenaji wrote:

The study consisted of 11 subjects. That's representative of...something.

Eh. Reflex epilepsy is usually known to us as the one caused by lights or videogames but it can (much more rarely) be caused by things like reading and other mental activities. They don't need a large sample here for it to be interesting, they're just showing for a small subset of the epileptic population that baduk and card games can be triggering. No big deal, if something like reading can do it it's not that weird that go might as well. It's not saying that go causes epilepsy or any nonsense like that or discovering a new triggering mechanism class for reflex epilepsy (i.e. mental activities like reading, playing games etc).

I've seen stranger ones, like a guy I knew who could go into a quite dramatic seizure if he revealed personal information, e.g. he gave me his phone number and ended up in a fit for a few minutes.

I dunno, the language in this abstract is throwing up red flags. But I readily admit this is not my field.

It's hard for me to conclude that this is actually a real separate population based on 11 people. If you find 11 people with one thing in common, you're very likely to be able to find additional things in common. That doesn't necessarily show a relationship between their commonalities.

Also, there's this gem:
"Individualized strategies such as avoiding the precipitating game or reducing exposure to the stimulus were most effective in preventing the seizures"

So... the finding of this research in which people reported that these games would trigger them... is that they should avoid these games?

This just feels like "Gotta publish something"-syndrome.

Joaz Banbeck · **#10**

Boidhre wrote:

...a guy I knew who could go into a quite dramatic seizure if he revealed personal information, e.g. he gave me his phone number and ended up in a fit for a few minutes.

What's odd about this? Some of us just like privacy. It is a dangerous world out there, you know.

badukJr · **#11**

shapenaji wrote:

Boidhre wrote:

shapenaji wrote:

The study consisted of 11 subjects. That's representative of...something.

Eh. Reflex epilepsy is usually known to us as the one caused by lights or videogames but it can (much more rarely) be caused by things like reading and other mental activities. They don't need a large sample here for it to be interesting, they're just showing for a small subset of the epileptic population that baduk and card games can be triggering. No big deal, if something like reading can do it it's not that weird that go might as well. It's not saying that go causes epilepsy or any nonsense like that or discovering a new triggering mechanism class for reflex epilepsy (i.e. mental activities like reading, playing games etc).

I've seen stranger ones, like a guy I knew who could go into a quite dramatic seizure if he revealed personal information, e.g. he gave me his phone number and ended up in a fit for a few minutes.

I dunno, the language in this abstract is throwing up red flags. But I readily admit this is not my field.

It's hard for me to conclude that this is actually a real separate population based on 11 people. If you find 11 people with one thing in common, you're very likely to be able to find additional things in common. That doesn't necessarily show a relationship between their commonalities.

Also, there's this gem:
"Individualized strategies such as avoiding the precipitating game or reducing exposure to the stimulus were most effective in preventing the seizures"

So... the finding of this research in which people reported that these games would trigger them... is that they should avoid these games?

This just feels like "Gotta publish something"-syndrome.

Sometimes when someone is having triggered seizures its difficult to pinpoint why, nobody takes in only one stimulus at a time. The world is a busy place. Now when someone lists the minute by minute activities they were doing, the doctor can isolate Go and test to see if it is one of the triggers for that particular person.

Even if was 1 person, and they fell into a seizure every time they played go it is a significant thing for treatment.

Reflex epilepsy induced by playing Go-stop or Baduk games

Who is online