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Offline handa711
 Post subject: Black to play. How to live?
Post #1 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:23 am 
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Offline RBerenguel
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Post #2 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:31 am 
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Offline handa711
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #3 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:37 am 
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RBerenguel wrote:
j2?

J3.
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Offline RBerenguel
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Post #4 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:41 am 
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RBerenguel wrote:
j2?

J3.


Right, missed this one. Very neat counter for it. I have another candidate moves, but I'd rather think them more thoroughly :)

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Offline HermanHiddema
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #5 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:57 am 
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L2?
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Offline RBerenguel
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #6 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:02 am 
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L2?

I don't see how it works, though (considered it)

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Offline handa711
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Post #7 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:12 am 
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L2?

L2 J3.
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Offline HermanHiddema
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #8 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:44 am 
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handa711 wrote:
HermanHiddema wrote:
L2?

L2 J3.


K1
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Offline handa711
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #9 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:44 am 
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L2?

L2 J3.


K1

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Offline RBerenguel
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Post #10 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:54 am 
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J2 and lives or crawls second line?

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Offline Uberdude
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Post #11 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:57 am 
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Then j2 and it's either a ko if white ataris on the outside or if connect black extends on the 2nd line at m2 and may or may not get a 2nd eye depending on if white blocks the centre and makes him crawl along the 2nd line for ages which should eventually get an eye, or denies the eye and drives him out to the centre. For a tsumego that probably counts as success, in a game not so clear...
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Offline logan
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #12 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:37 am 
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc :b7: @ K3, :w10: @ K2
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$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X 8 X 4 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . 2 X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O X 5 O 1 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O 9 . 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X O . O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . O 3 O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . O X . X X O X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 X . X . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X . X 6 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . 2 X O . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O X 4 O 1 7 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . 5 3 0 . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm11
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X . X O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . O . O . O 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O X O O X X X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X X O 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And some side sequence.
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Offline HermanHiddema
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #13 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:47 am 
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@logan: Black can also jump with :b9: in the third diagram. Presumably he will be able to make an eye once he reaches the corner.
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Offline handa711
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #14 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:14 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm11
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O O . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . X . X O O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X X . O . O . O 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O X O O X X X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X X O 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




What if w P2 now?
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Offline logan
 Post subject: Re: Black to play. How to live?
Post #15 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:15 pm 
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HermanHiddema wrote:
@logan: Black can also jump with :b9: in the third diagram. Presumably he will be able to make an eye once he reaches the corner.
Yes, however you'd like to live on the side.
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