49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

dfan · **#241**

Araban wrote:

It's pretty obvious who you are referring to, and it's also obvious that he only made 1 comment in this game that was hidden and something you weren't supposed to read as that is part of the game (why do you think the comments are hidden?). The way you've been commenting on your moves is fine, but at least follow the most important rule of the game. Now you lost some credibility and I doubt you will get as many people writing their own thoughts that they only wish to share with observers knowing you will read it anyways.

Aren't you allowed to read observers' comments after the game finishes?

Solomon · **#242**

dfan wrote:

Araban wrote:

It's pretty obvious who you are referring to, and it's also obvious that he only made 1 comment in this game that was hidden and something you weren't supposed to read as that is part of the game (why do you think the comments are hidden?). The way you've been commenting on your moves is fine, but at least follow the most important rule of the game. Now you lost some credibility and I doubt you will get as many people writing their own thoughts that they only wish to share with observers knowing you will read it anyways.

Aren't you allowed to read observers' comments after the game finishes?

See above

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Magicwand · **#243**

Harleqin wrote:

yes this quote bothered me.
i read few comment from him from other games that is somewhat sarcastic tone attached to it.
and now i read that similar comment in my game.

unless you are professional...you can not read all the variations at this stage.
you may sense what will the outcome may be but it is pretty much impossible for our rank.
i can sense that he doesnt like way i think and play.
or that is just way he comment all games. really doesnt matter but worth mentioning.

Magicwand · **#244**

Araban wrote:

Magicwand wrote:

i read some German 2D's comment...get some bad vibes out of his comment.
why does he talk like he knows how to play go?

It's pretty obvious who you are referring to, and it's also obvious that he only made 1 comment in this game that was hidden and something you weren't supposed to read as that is part of the game (why do you think the comments are hidden?). The way you've been commenting on your moves is fine, but at least follow the most important rule of the game. Now you lost some credibility and I doubt you will get as many people writing their own thoughts that they only wish to share with observers knowing you will read it anyways.

it seems that you are refering that i read hidden comments before the end of the game.
what gave you that idea?
i did open hidden that i thought was directed to me.
other than that what gives you right to attack my integrity?

kokomi · **#245**

Magicwand wrote:

pretty impressive reading...
i am pretty sure i had my chance to make a life which i missed...
making life by giving my tail is no life anyway...

i read some German 2D's comment...get some bad vibes out of his comment.
why does he talk like he knows how to play go?

to all other obeservers (except that 2d):
i am sorry for displaying bad game. i will try to add more comment with better quality game for #3.
this game started good...but went downhill from that tenuki.
i think everyone knows which tenuki i am talking about.
Lack of comment were due to the fact that i wasnt playing correct moves..and try to force his mistake which i didnt want to comment on.
next game will be better i hope.
my opponent's reading was impressive for the fact that he tried to read that complicated variation.
i guess we have totally different style of playing....

NEXT GAME WILL BE LIKE NBA FINAL GAME #7

Your comments and Violence's add more fun in following this game. Appreciate that, and this is a nice game.

HKA · **#246**

Araban wrote:

Magicwand wrote:

i read some German 2D's comment...get some bad vibes out of his comment.
why does he talk like he knows how to play go?

It's pretty obvious who you are referring to, and it's also obvious that he only made 1 comment in this game that was hidden and something you weren't supposed to read as that is part of the game (why do you think the comments are hidden?). The way you've been commenting on your moves is fine, but at least follow the most important rule of the game. Now you lost some credibility and I doubt you will get as many people writing their own thoughts that they only wish to share with observers knowing you will read it anyways.

I think this is pretty bad form. To take the time, apparently, to confirm that only one German 2 dan made only one hidden comment in a thread of over two hundred posts without realizing it was a post match comment and taking a moment to consider is pretty bad. You basically call him a cheater "at least follow the most important rule of the game" who can no longer be trusted.

When the mistake is pointed out, there is virtually no apology, you simply move on to criticizing him, more fairly I think, for insulting the poster. As a moderator, it might have been appropriate to explain that we would like to encourage comments, and such remarks might discourage them.

In any event, moderator or not, the initial post was quite immoderate.

Violence · **#247**

Magicwand wrote:

other than that what gives you right to attack my integrity?

I agree, Solch, that was pretty uncalled for.

In two games, he's never given me reason to believe he's read my comments.

Solomon · **#248**

Magicwand wrote:

Araban wrote:

Magicwand wrote:

i read some German 2D's comment...get some bad vibes out of his comment.
why does he talk like he knows how to play go?

It's pretty obvious who you are referring to, and it's also obvious that he only made 1 comment in this game that was hidden and something you weren't supposed to read as that is part of the game (why do you think the comments are hidden?). The way you've been commenting on your moves is fine, but at least follow the most important rule of the game. Now you lost some credibility and I doubt you will get as many people writing their own thoughts that they only wish to share with observers knowing you will read it anyways.

it seems that you are refering that i read hidden comments before the end of the game.
what gave you that idea?
i did open hidden that i thought was directed to me.
other than that what gives you right to attack my integrity?

I wrote right afterwards that I realized I misinterpreted your post, and I'm sorry for that. I stepped out of line because you insulted a veteran member here who is of the same level with you, and he wrote nothing bad about you. Even if he did though, two wrongs don't make a right and that is why I'm apologizing.

HKA wrote:

Araban wrote:

Magicwand wrote:

i read some German 2D's comment...get some bad vibes out of his comment.
why does he talk like he knows how to play go?

It's pretty obvious who you are referring to, and it's also obvious that he only made 1 comment in this game that was hidden and something you weren't supposed to read as that is part of the game (why do you think the comments are hidden?). The way you've been commenting on your moves is fine, but at least follow the most important rule of the game. Now you lost some credibility and I doubt you will get as many people writing their own thoughts that they only wish to share with observers knowing you will read it anyways.

I think this is pretty bad form. To take the time, apparently, to confirm that only one German 2 dan made only one hidden comment in a thread of over two hundred posts without realizing it was a post match comment and taking a moment to consider is pretty bad. You basically call him a cheater "at least follow the most important rule of the game" who can no longer be trusted.

When the mistake is pointed out, there is virtually no apology, you simply move on to criticizing him, more fairly I think, for insulting the poster. As a moderator, it might have been appropriate to explain that we would like to encourage comments, and such remarks might discourage them.

In any event, moderator or not, the initial post was quite immoderate.

Really HKA? First off, it's not hard to use CTRL+F to find the particular player who he was referring to and the particular member is a frequent poster, took me less than a minute. Also, as I said almost immediately afterwards, I realized that I took what was an ambiguous comment and misinterpreted it, thereby jumping the gun and making an accusation so I gave him the apology.

I just find it funny you would bring this up because we had a similar confrontation just two months ago when you also misinterpreted a status update I posted on facebook and called me out on it, accusing me of still holding a grudge against you over a GD feud. I still didn't receive an apologize from you for that either, and in fact it was I who apologized to you for posting something that could be misinterpreted - the equivalence of Magicwand apologizing to me for writing an ambiguous post rather than me to him. For you to criticize me like that is just downright hypocrisy.

fwiffo · **#249**

Take it outside, you two.

quantumf · **#250**

Magicwand wrote:

Harleqin wrote:

yes this quote bothered me.
i read few comment from him from other games that is somewhat sarcastic tone attached to it.
and now i read that similar comment in my game.

unless you are professional...you can not read all the variations at this stage.
you may sense what will the outcome may be but it is pretty much impossible for our rank.
i can sense that he doesnt like way i think and play.
or that is just way he comment all games. really doesnt matter but worth mentioning.

I'm trying to understand why this quote bothered you. It seems quite reasonable to me. I think both of you took risks in the game, but because you had confidence in your reading, you felt justified in taking them. Certainly made things exciting for the spectators!

With regards to the stategic implications of your central invasion, the effect on your left bottom corner and left side was quite severe, so even if you had lived, it would have been hard to win (but not impossible).

Joaz Banbeck · **#251**

fwiffo wrote:

Take it outside, you two.

The game is over, and I can't see this thread turning into anything better than it already is. Let's all just drop it.

Violence · **#252**

Why do the majority of my threads seem to end in arguments...

HKA · **#253**

Araban wrote:

Really HKA? First off, it's not hard to use CTRL+F to find the particular player who he was referring to and the particular member is a frequent poster, took me less than a minute. Also, as I said almost immediately afterwards, I realized that I took what was an ambiguous comment and misinterpreted it, thereby jumping the gun and making an accusation so I gave him the apology.

I just find it funny you would bring this up because we had a similar confrontation just two months ago when you also misinterpreted a status update I posted on facebook and called me out on it, accusing me of still holding a grudge against you over a GD feud. I still didn't receive an apologize from you for that either, and in fact it was I who apologized to you for posting something that could be misinterpreted - the equivalence of Magicwand apologizing to me for writing an ambiguous post rather than me to him. For you to criticize me like that is just downright hypocrisy.

Well, as a self proclaimed luddite, I had no idea it was so easy CTRL whatever and check that.

My computer and facebook naivete was responsible for the misunderstanding we had there. As you know, you played a prank where you said that the facebook user referenced by a link was a real a - hole. I clicked and there was my profile. I did not realize that it was a set up so that anyone who clicked would see their own profile. Did I call you out? Well, I sent you a PRIVATE message, not one to all of your friends, or a whole forum that you are a moderator for. You explained, and I responded, again, PRIVATELY "I thought that might be the case, but paranoia and lack of sleep after a weekend in the ER made it difficult to immediatlely appreciate the "humor"."

Now, I would agree that is not an apology. And I do not really want to debate whether I needed to apologize for being hurt by a prank that was meant to, at least momentarily, upset people.

But what I will say is that I did acknowlege I misinterpreted what you did, which is all that you did with Magicwand, until Violence and I made our comments. I thought you owed him an apology, and now you have done so, so that is great.

Regardless, I will, as fwiffo says - take it outside. If there is one thing I cannot stand, it is a hypocrite, and if I am moderator defined here as one, then I am gone.

fwiffo · **#254**

You were one of the two. Thread locked. If anyone wants to discuss/review the game, they can start a new thread.

fwiffo · **#255**

I've unlocked the thread to permit discussion of the game. If you feel like arguing about other things, please take it elsewhere.

Violence · **#256**

I got this game reviewed, but I'm going to head out soon. I'll post it later.

Violence · **#257**

Mingjiu's commentary.

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This is better than the game, but both are playable.

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White should do this soon to prevent black from sealing in.

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Because the lower right can be sealed off, this is a better plan. The stone at the top can come under more severe attack.

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This move should be played so that there is a sente move at a, and so that black may have a chance to seal off white.

Black should approach the top left, instead of playing so close to the one stone.

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If white does not pincer, black can attack one stone. If white does pincer, black takes territory, and the one stone is clearly a bad exchange.

49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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