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Post #1 Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:34 pm 
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i would have aga rules, play one board as white, one board as black, and mimic his moves.
cheating? maybe, but would be a great game i'm sure.

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Post #2 Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:49 pm 
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If you play against a being who already knows the solution to Go,
it has a few options:
  • If Go is a tie and komi is a natural number, it can force a tie;
  • If it can force a no result, it's an option;
  • If it already knows what you're up to, it can call you out and refuse to play you. Or do other things to you;
  • It can also just show you all the branches to the solution --
    which is basically what you're requesting to see --
    which may take longer than the age of the universe...?
  • AGA rules? :shock: WTH.

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Post #3 Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:07 pm 
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Post #4 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:00 am 
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Pretty sure God would refuse to play with AGA rules.

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:27 am 
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You can try say him that you don't believe in him. He will lose a power and you can win if he doesn't destroy you.

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:35 am 
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What's the point of playing if none are your own moves? That sounds like non-participation.

It's like playing a game of mirror go to the bitter end. You'd be watching your deity play an elaborate version of solitaire.


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EdLee wrote:
If you play against a being who already knows the solution to Go,
it has a few options:
  • If Go is a tie and komi is a natural number, it can force a tie;
  • If it can force a no result, it's an option;
  • If it already knows what you're up to, it can call you out and refuse to play you. Or do other things to you;
  • It can also just show you all the branches to the solution --
    which is basically what you're requesting to see --
    which may take longer than the age of the universe...?
  • AGA rules? :shock: WTH.

Don't forget,
"...you can do what you want Abe but the next time you see me comin' you better run..."
God speaking to Abraham in Bob Dylan's Highway 61 Revisited.

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Post #8 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:50 pm 
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Post #9 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:30 pm 
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I'd play tengen on the opposite board as black.

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Post #10 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:25 pm 
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Because you didn't specify time settings it would probably play in a way that stalls out your time until you die causing you to lose by default.

Under blitz time settings I think the same strategy using an n amount of ko to avoid the super ko rule, again abusing byo yomi until you die of age.

Also the use of passes could double the length of the game.

Though if there was a strategy to beat a deity, yours is certainly close.

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Post #11 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:10 pm 
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tentano wrote:
... You'd be watching your deity play an elaborate version of solitaire.


Aren't we doing that already - without go?

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Post #12 Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:09 pm 
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i have my own technique:
1) (hardest) find god and make Him (Her ?) talk to me.
2) ask for a game of go, let God have white out of respect of course
3) appeal to His (Her ?) infinite mercy to ask first for a game on a smaller board because i am a puny mortal sinner
4)
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[go]$$ Take that, GOD!
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$$ | . . . |
$$ | . B . |
$$ | . . . |
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Post #13 Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:46 pm 
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What if Go is undecidable, i.e. neither White nor Black can win? It is possible to my understand that a Go game could be infinitely long....

BTW: If God is omnipotent then he could win by the very definition of omnipotence. If not, then he's not God.

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Post #14 Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:49 pm 
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perceval wrote:
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[go]$$ Take that, GOD!
$$ --------
$$ | . . . |
$$ | . B . |
$$ | . . . |
$$ ---------[/go]


I'd not give God too many chances, so: :twisted:

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Post #15 Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:43 pm 
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You can try say him that you don't believe in him. He will lose a power and you can win if he doesn't destroy you.


Yes, because the almighty power of God is dependent on the belief of some silly little human. Sounds right! I would add a stipulation that God has to write down all of his moves ahead of time before seeing mine and then I would choose my moves based on his (and yet I still wouldnt have a living stone on the board by the end).

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Post #16 Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:30 am 
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I'm pretty sure god would give you his own rules. :lol:

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Post #17 Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:25 am 
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There is a much simpler way. Prepare the board and stones and start the clock. Now wait if you are white or play your first move if you are black. I am pretty certain your opponent will time out. Since God "is" omnipresent, nobody can say your opponent wasn't there. Since (s)he "knows" everything, nobody can say he didn't know about the game. Since (s)he "is" omnipotent nobody can say anything prevented him/her from placing a stone and pressing the clock. You just won against someone who was in the room, knew you were playing him/her and had every chance to play as well. That is a fair win, unlike some other suggestions in this forum :D

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Post #18 Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:41 am 
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I'm pretty sure if you're doing that, God's actually scoring 1:1 against him/her self regardless. If they aren't your moves, you aren't playing :P

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