Lee Sedol vs Alpha go

trout · #1

There is a article in news.naver.com which mentioned about match between Lee Sedol vs Alpha Go.

Winner gets $1,000,000.

Match will be held in March.

Alph go was developed by Google Deepmind which acquired DeepMind in 2014.
Alpha Go defeated Fan Hui 5 games in a row without handicap. A pro who has looked at record of games by Alpha Go said that it played like human not machine.

If Alpha Go wins match, prize will be donated to charity organization.

DrStraw · #2

There is another thread discussing this but in that one it was not made clear that the winner won $1M. I assumed it was Google paying Lee $1M for the privilege of challenging him.

So who is putting up the money?

Uberdude · #3

DrStraw wrote:

There is another thread discussing this but in that one it was not made clear that the winner won $1M. I assumed it was Google paying Lee $1M for the privilege of challenging him.

So who is putting up the money?

I expect it's Google: if Lee wins he gets the money, if AlphaGo wins they give it to some charity. I also saw Deepmind will support the British Go Association (not a legal clarity).

trout · #4

There is a article in American Go E-Journal about AlphaGo.

http://www.usgo.org/news/2016/01/alphag ... i-advance/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-dKXOl ... e=youtu.be

Nikolas73 · #5

Place your bets!

Hajin Lee thinks it's 50/50. The fact that it's difficult to call is astonishing.
http://www.nature.com/news/go-players-r ... at-1.19255

Uberdude · #6

Nikolas73 wrote:

Place your bets!

Hajin Lee thinks it's 50/50. The fact that it's difficult to call is astonishing.
http://www.nature.com/news/go-players-r ... at-1.19255

I made a poll: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=12650

trout · #7

Mr Younggil An at GGG posted commented 5th game between DeepMind AlphaGo vs Fan Hui.

https://gogameguru.com/go-commentary-de ... ui-game-5/

mumps · #8

Uberdude wrote:

DrStraw wrote:

There is another thread discussing this but in that one it was not made clear that the winner won $1M. I assumed it was Google paying Lee $1M for the privilege of challenging him.

So who is putting up the money?

I expect it's Google: if Lee wins he gets the money, if AlphaGo wins they give it to some charity. I also saw Deepmind will support the British Go Association (not a legal clarity).

Yes, they're giving us (the BGA) a relatively small donation (by $1m standard) to support the London Open 2016 in return for our involvement in providing a referee for the match etc.

My understanding is that the $1m is just the prize money and if he doesn't win then they'll do something else (probably related to Go or charity) with it. I assume he's getting some money to participate in the event.

Jon

trout · #9

Analysis of games by Myungwan Kim 9p.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHRHUHW6HQE

trout · **#10**

Scheduled date for matches;

1st game - 3/9
2nd game - 3/10
3rd game - 3/12
4th game - 3/13
5th game - 3/15

trout · **#11**

Time setting for these match was announced.

It will be set to 2 hours and 1 minute x 3.
Chinese rule will be used.

All games will be broadcasted through youtube.

The winning prize will be $1m. And $150,000 for playing 5 games and $20,000 for each win.

Scheduled date for matches;

1st game - 3/9
2nd game - 3/10
3rd game - 3/12
4th game - 3/13
5th game - 3/15

yoyoma · **#12**

A few more details and links:

Matches will start at 1pm KST -- first match March 9, 1PM KST
Live stream will be on DeepMind's youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP7jMX ... KCAE0MHQ-A
English commentary by Michael Redmond 9p

From this article: http://www.britgo.org/node/5427

Quote:

The tournament will be livestreamed on DeepMind’s YouTube channel as well as broadcast on TV throughout Asia through Korea’s Baduk TV, as well as in China, Japan, and elsewhere. There will also be a daily summary, broadcast a while after the end of the game.

Match commentators will include Michael Redmond, the only professional Western Go player to achieve 9 dan status with 500 professional wins under his belt. Redmond will commentate in English, and Yoo Changhyuk professional 9 dan, Kim Sungryong professional 9 dan, Song Taegon professional 9 dan, and Lee Hyunwook professional 8 dan will commentate in Korean alternately.

Kirby · **#13**

yoyoma wrote:

A few more details and links:

And some quotes by Lee Sedol about the match (with my rough translation):

Lee Sedol wrote:

“알파고에 대한 궁금증 때문에 이번 대결을 수락했는데, 결정하는 데 5분 정도밖에 걸리지 않았다”
(“I accepted this match out of curiosity about AlphaGo; it didn’t even take 5 minutes to make the decision.”)
“지난해 10월의 알파고 기보는 나와 그다지 승부를 논할 수준은 아니었다”
(“The AlphaGo game records from last October weren’t even at a level to discuss the possibility of winning against me.”)
“알파고가 계속 업데이트돼 기력이 향상되겠지만 시간적 한계가 있기 때문에 이번에는 내가 이길 것으로 본다”
(“As AlphaGo continues to get updated, it’s strength will certainly increase; but because of the time constraints, I’m looking forward to winning this time. ”)
"시간이 흘렀고 알파고의 실력이 늘었겠지만 3-2 이런 스코어가 아니라 내가 한판이라도 지느냐의 승부일 것이다"
("As time goes by, AlphaGo's strength will increase, but (this match) won't be a 3-2 score; it's more like, will I even lose a single game?")

Lee Sedol isn't lacking in confidence, to say the least :-)

Knotwilg · **#14**

I've always been a fan of Gu Li, due to his playing style. But after the Lee Sedol - Gu Li jubango and especially after reading his books, co-authored by his sister, I became a big fan of Lee Sedol. He has all the features of a legend. And this encounter with Alpha Go will only add to the myth. You have to love the guy's attitude.

mumps · **#15**

Just to be clear about the $1m prize, which is provided by Google:

Quote:

If AlphaGo wins, the prize money will be donated to UNICEF, STEM and Go charities.

There is no statement about the proportions allocated to each, or the specific organisations involved, apart from Unicef.

trout · **#16**

1st game;

AlphaGo defeated Lee Sedol by resign.

AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol 1:0

Spaceman-Spiff · **#17**

Damn, Lee was playing so well at the beginning.

I want AlphaGo to win, but still pretty shocked.

Mef · **#18**

trout wrote:

1st game;

AlphaGo defeated Lee Sedol by resign.

AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol 1:0

I must say this trout -- It is quite admirable the way you dutifully report so many pro results here, in such a succinct and objective fashion, to the point where a game that will be certainly be considered an incredible milestone in both AI development and Go History is listed as though it may be tomorrow's weather report.

I am almost led to wonder if you are a forum posting bot (=

Charles Matthews · **#19**

Spaceman-Spiff wrote:

Damn, Lee was playing so well at the beginning.

I want AlphaGo to win, but still pretty shocked.

I thought AlphaGo was slightly behind for much of the game, but it appears Lee misplayed the complex position on the right side.

Michael Redmond commentating thought AlphaGo showed good timing; but he didn't like the thick play upper left, tenuki from the lower left allowing a double approach. AlphaGo found a way to take sente there (apparently messy) and move over to the right, keeping complexity alive.

Interesting "living go", which is ironic with one player being silicon.

mitsun · **#20**

I am sure we will get lots of human analysis of the game, but I would be interested in the Alpha Go analysis. I am pretty sure it can produce a graph of its expected win probability per move. It should also be able to say how early in the endgame it calculated the remaining play exactly.

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