I believe there is some mistake.

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More like 1996.

Best wishes.

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How to get from Tampere airport to the congress venue / Tampere city center by public transport? Where to find a timetable? When are the first and last connections?

http://www.airpro.fi/bus_schedules

Best Regards,
Vesa

Will we have any cups?
Cups are always welcome. I remember Kim Gyungrae, Korean 7d who got money for winning side event few years ago on EGC. He was very angry and said that he prefers cup to his 50 euro cash prize.

Last year in Holland we only had poor paper diplomas

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Was he on PMS or something?
Or does he just get 'very angry' that often and for such trivial reasons?

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I think the diplomas of 2009 have a nice paper and appearance. However, I tend to throw away both trophies and diplomas; it is not something I like to collect. Money is much better: One does not need to collect it to make good use of it.

Robert, I made a pool. We will see other opinions.

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Money is much better for you. Some people feel that money is rather ephemeral, whereas a trophy can be kept for posterity. It would be genuinely interesting to find out what the majority of the top players would choose - I suspected money, but now I am less sure.

No, there were also cups, or more accurately statuettes (in two sizes):

Bronzed ones for first place: http://picasaweb.google.com/gocongress2 ... 9267062418
Smaller white ones for 2nd/3rd: http://picasaweb.google.com/gocongress2 ... 8505172322

(These are scale models of the famous Groningen statue Peerd van ome Loeks)

And there were cash prizes for 1st/2nd/3rd place in all side events as well.

Also I thought the paper diplomas were quite nice, individually color-printed on special paper and signed by the main organizer and president of the Dutch Go Association (Download and zoom in on the second picture linked above to see details).

Do you have some special plans for the people who have to stay at home but would like to take part? I'm thinking of a live relay of the first board(s) on KGS / EuroGoTV, up-to-date information (pairing, results, etc.), photos, and that kind of stuff.
I'm interested in all that because I'd love to be there, too, but I have to do an internship over the summer holidays and can't participate..

Nonetheless I wish all of the participants a great time at the EGC 2010 and hope for the organizers that everything will go smoothly!

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Usually you can see things you mentioned on KGS and EGC website.
I also heard, they will publish EGC magazines with commented games, interviews etc and will make them available on EGC website

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We'll have EuroGoTV broadcasts for the first two boards of the Main Tournament. Check out the schedule and follow http://eurogotv.com and KGS and/or PandaNet.

Also, I promise the results update every evening, cannot say how early though :) About the photos, we don't have a good plan yet but maybe something will happen on the visual sector as well.

Cheers,
Vesa

Hi Breakfast,

thanks for posting, that's great news! I loved the EGC magazine last year and I really do hope there will be one this year, too!



Hi Vesa,

thanks for your reply! Of course I know you can't say when you can update all the results, once a day is ok, you surely have a lot more things to do than that.
I saw you have a twitter account for the EGC. Do you think that maybe the results of the top 5 or so boards could be updated quickly after games are over in this way? ^^;

I'll keep my fingers crossed for some photos, maybe even such a nice galery as was done for the congress in Groningen last year.

Greetings from Germany!

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Greetings. Here is a screenshot of the results today up to the 36th place (5 rounds have been played). Could someone please offer a key to reading this chart?
What is MMS?
What is SOS?
What do the numbers followed by a + or - sign mean?
Is it possible to discern from this table who played whom?
If not, is there somewhere where one could see the actual results (for example: White: Ilia Shikshin (7d)- Black: Kyeong-nang Kang (7d) W+R)?




Thanks in advance for the clarification.

BTW, is this the way it's always done, and am I the only one who finds this table baffling?

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Patience, grasshopper.

This seems like a pretty normal result sheet. I was confused the first time I saw one, too. The + and - signs should indicate who the player won and lost against. So, for example, when it says that "Shikshin, Ilya" had 10+ for his first game, it means that he won against player #10 - "Tormanen, Antti" (plus the dots for the special characters).

The MMS is the score that you obtained from your results. That's why the player with the highest MMS won the game - it determines placement.

The SOS is the sum of opponent scores, which is one method of breaking ties. You can see that players 2 through 8 all had an MMS of 28. The way that placement was determined was by ranking by the sum of opponent scores - the SOS.

P.S. In many tournaments, I don't think they keep track of how a player won (resignation, by 15 points, by 100 points). Nothing really matters but the result of the game.

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This is the way it is usually done

MMS = McMahon Score. Each player is given an initial MMS based on their rank (20k = 0, 19k = 1, 18k = 2, ... , 1d = 20, 2d = 21, 3d = 22, 4d = 23). The for each round they win, they get an additional point.

SOS = Sum of Opponent Scores = An indication how strong your opponents were, therefore how hard it was to reach your current score.

The numbers followed by a plus or minus sign are an opponent identifier followed by a result. So 54+ means that someone played against player 54 (i.e. the player who is currently 54th in the list) and that they won (54- would mean they lost).

So with the above, it is possible to discern who played whom, In the current list, in the 5th round, Ilya has 2+ and 2 = Kang Kyeong nang, so that tells you Ilya beat Kang in the 5th round.

Thanks Kirby and Herman.


I'm almost there, but ... does everyone over 4d start with 23? If so, how did Ilia get to 29? If not, How did Ilia get to 29?



Ah. This is interesting. It means that the entire table has to be recalculated after every round to reflect everyone's change in position. What a mammoth task. Was this done the same way before the advent of the compter era?

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Patience, grasshopper.

I am not an MMS expert, but I believe that this is due to the way that the "upper bar" was set. Basically, all ranks that they believe have a shot at winning the tournament will have the same initial set of points.

For a particular tournament, you might set the bar at 4d. That means that 4d, 5d, 6d, and 7d will all get the same number of points - 23. It looks to be the case that, for this tournament, the bar was set at 5d. This means that 4d still gets 23 initial points, but 5d, 6d, and 7d all get 24.

I think that it is up to the tournament organizers to determine where they should set the bar.

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32 top players were selected to start with 24. So Ilya started with 24+5wins = 29. See many other threads here about the politics of how they decide who is selected.