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 Post subject: Re: 59-move game. Opening theory
Post #21 Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:03 pm 
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If you want a hint, there is the move number in the spoiler below :

43 give up the ladder : can you find the right move?


Ooooooh. Now I see it :oops:

Funny thing, before I looked at your post, I thought I had found it. I came up with this variation. Though apparently it's not it :-? I think it doesn't work if :w46: just plays S18




Thanks everyone for helping me find it. Too bad I couldn't find it on my own entirely, but that'll come as I improve :) I did find many other variations so the exercise in itself was very valuable!


Question, though: was the netting much worse than catching the stones in a ladder?

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Post #22 Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:10 pm 
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I haven't seen it yet. :scratch:

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Post #23 Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:19 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:
I haven't seen it yet. :scratch:


Black 43 at P14

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Post #24 Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:34 pm 
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Ian Butler wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
I haven't seen it yet. :scratch:


Black 43 at P14

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:clap: :clap: :clap:

You see how :w32: was not a good move?

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Post #25 Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:51 am 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
I haven't seen it yet. :scratch:


Black 43 at P14

:bow:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

You see how :w32: was not a good move?



Yes, the ladder would then not have worked, because a big group of black would be in atari running out the ladder.
Though netting still would've worked in that case :)

Thanks for (not) pointing it out to me :D

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Post #26 Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:21 am 
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Ian Butler wrote:
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You see how :w32: was not a good move?



Yes, the ladder would then not have worked, because a big group of black would be in atari running out the ladder.


Yes, it is a negative example of the general principle to avoid strengthening the opponent's stones.

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Though netting still would've worked in that case :)


That's a liberal interpretation of working. ;) When the ladder does not work, instead of playing atari against the cut, simply extending along the second line may be best.

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Thanks for (not) pointing it out to me :D


Thank you for your stick-to-it-ivity. :D

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