New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero

Gomoto · #1

This joseki by Elf and Leelaz only appears in 3 games in my pro database:

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Played by Elf, Leelaz, and Cho

additional Info:
Cho Chikun 9p - Rin Kaiho 9p, W+0.5 (Komi 5.5)
8th Japanese Kisei, title match #6, 1984-03-07
Commentary in Go World 36

What do you think?

Ian Butler · #2

First thing that comes in my head is that it's relatively slow for white, but still I like white better in this position than black. (of course, the rest of the board is too important to judge it quarantined)
I feel R5 is an important point later on for both players.

On the other hand, white has invested one extra stone here, so his advantage might not be worth a stone.

Anyway, for a Kyu player, I'd say white has the better position, because we have a hard time using these black stones to the max advantage. While playing as white is "simpler" for a kyu player

But I'm just a DDK so don't take my opinion too seriously :lol:

Jujube · #3

Didn't imamura toshiya play something like this in the recent nhk match against yamashiro hiroshi?

EdLee · #4

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Didn't imamura toshiya play something like this in the recent nhk match against yamashiro hiroshi?

Good call.
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John Fairbairn · #5

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This joseki by Elf and Leelaz only appears in 3 games in my pro database:

Go Seigen was the first to play it, in 1948.

Once again Go and Alpha no Go is remarkably reminiscent of Sai and Hikaru no Go.

EdLee · #6

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Go Seigen was the first to play it, in 1948.

Once again, [ Go and ( Alpha no Go ) ] is remarkably reminiscent of
[ Sai and ( Hikaru no Go ) ].

Look forward to Babel-fish bots resolving these and parsing 100% correctly.

Gomoto · #7

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Bill Spight · #8

Murashima Yoshinori

John Fairbairn · #9

Yes, Bill, but I make it a rule to consider josekis in an empty quadrant. I know that pros don't ignore the rest of the board even if a quadrant is empty, but even they seem to stick to empty 10/11 x10/11 quadrants in joseki books.

New 3-3 Joseki by Elf and Leela Zero

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