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Offline tchan001
 Post subject: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #1 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:17 am 
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Chapter 1 Foundation Problems - Problem 24 from a new book 基礎から始める河野臨の詰碁 ISBN9784839967307
Rated as appropriate for low dan level. Enjoy
Black to move

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Will give the answer under hide in about a week or two.

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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #2 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:22 pm 
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #3 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:37 pm 
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Without reading, my vital point sensibilities say this:

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #4 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:42 pm 
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Shaddy wrote:
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$$ | . O 2 O X . . . . ,
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$$ +---------------------[/go]


What if white does not get greedy?
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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #5 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:50 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Shaddy wrote:
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$$ | . O 2 O X . . . . ,
$$ | . . 1 O X X X X X .
$$ | O . . 3 O . . . X .
$$ | . . . . . . . . X .
$$ +---------------------[/go]


What if white does not get greedy?
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$$ | O . 2 . O . . . X .
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$$ +---------------------[/go]

Just atari kills.
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Offline Knotwilg
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #6 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:03 pm 
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Main line: edit, no
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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #7 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:18 pm 
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$$ | X X X X X . . . . .
$$ | . O 3 O X . . . . ,
$$ | . 5 1 O X X X X X .
$$ | O 6 2 4 O 0 . . X .
$$ | . 8 . 9 7 . . . X .
$$ +---------------------[/go]

5 @ 6
In your main line, 6 @ 1-2 point makes ko
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Offline tchan001
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #8 Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:59 am 
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #9 Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:29 pm 
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tchan001 wrote:
...

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...then...

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...Ko...


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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe I'm missing something, but if black plays G1 instead of F1, I see no ko. White looks dead to me.

I still think that C2 kills.

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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #10 Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:41 pm 
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$$ | . 6 . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ko

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$$ | O O O O X X X X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X O O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . 3 . 2 1 . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Seki

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 Post subject: Re: Tsumego Fun for Low Dan (2019 June 6th)
Post #11 Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:46 pm 
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Books are not always correct but as I am not a tsumego expert, I can only provide the answer from the book.

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