This is becoming really ridiculous... You post something, I answer, you say, you didn't post it.

I promise this is my last post in this thread...

You posted this:

Here:
forum/viewtopic.php?p=235944#p235944

Welcome on my blacklist.

OK. And what the probability they are equally strong is in this case?

This is really ridiculous, how You read posts...
Where You had found in the post by this link word "Phoenix" (or "Феникс")?!

We don't have enough information to say; it depends on our prior guess of how likely various strength differences are.

I had determined the 2018 year winners of different sizes LeelaZero weights (details):
"bantamweight" <|= 2 ^ 23 B (< 12 MiB) - best_5b.txt;
"featherweight" 2 ^ 24 B (12 - 24 MiB) - I haven't;
"lightweight" 2 ^ 25 B (24 - 48 MiB) - LeelaMaster_E08.txt;
"welterweight" 2 ^ 26 B (48 - 96 MiB) - LeelaMaster_W11.txt;
"middleweight" 2 ^ 27 B (96 - 192 MiB) - LeelaMaster_GX35.txt;
"light heavyweight" 2 ^ 28 B (192 - 384 MiB) - elf_converted_weights.txt;
"heavyweight" 2 ^ 29 B (384 - 768 MiB) - leelaz-model-swa-9-72000.txt;
"super heavyweight" >|= 2 ^ 30 B (> 768 MiB) - I haven't.

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The best of the 2018 year LeelaZero weights are next (details):
1) "light heavyweight" 2 ^ 28 B (192 - 384 MiB) - elf_converted_weights.txt;
2) "heavyweight" 2 ^ 29 B (384 - 768 MiB) - leelaz-model-swa-9-72000.txt;
3) "middleweight" 2 ^ 27 B (96 - 192 MiB) - LeelaMaster_GX35.txt | leelaz-model-swa-8-64000_quantized.txt

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The top list of GTP engines without using GPU (details):
Highest level
1) LeelaZero
High level
2) Leela
Middle level
3) Rayon
4) Hiratuka
5) Pachi_DCNN
6) Pachi
7) Ray
8) Ray(RLO)
9) MoGo

The top list of GTP engines without using GPU (details):
Highest level
1) LeelaZero
High level
2) Leela
Middle level
3) Rayon
4) Hiratuka
5) Zenith
6) Pachi_DCNN
7) Pachi
8) Ray
9) MoGo

Sorry q30,
You posted 2 different lists with the same description.
Did you mean to make it with and without GPU?

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Yes, the description is the same and the lists are different (the list was updated: was added Zenith and was removed Ray(RLO) because of about sense). What is the problem?
On my PC without modern NVidia card it isn't possible to test with GPU...

The rating of Phoenix LeelaZero versions (details):
1) 0.16
2) lz_v0.33(0.15)
3) lz_v0.32(0.15)
4) lz_orig(0.15)
5) lizzie(0.15)
6) 0.14

But I don't understand, what is the reason of all these versions creating without the neuronet updating...

I never have problems, only challenges.
It wasn't obvious, but now it is. Thanks.

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We did not talk about Phoenix but about the significance of the results you posted. You pervert the facts once again. I just don't know if you do it on purpose or ignorantly.

as0770, why not ignore this thread instead of engaging in these pointless arguments?

Oh well, I tried to delete my account here but I failed. So I will go on answering if someone tells nonsense. But feel free to delete my account.

3 nov 2018



25 jul 2019


I see strong contradiction here.

Congrats, you found contradiction in a public forum.

I know I shouldn't read posts by blacklisted people, but now and then I forget my deliberate intention and read them because the forum software don't allow to blacklist someone completely. And then I feel this inner constraint and have to answer to the nonsense.

BTW I ignored it for a long time, but since I started this thread this guy wrote deprecative comments to me. I could live with it if there would be at least some basic expertise. But neither there is some know how, nor he understands english.

So after all I think it is OK to answer him once in a half year. Judge yourself if it is OK to blame me for that.

I had thought, that my post has problem...

I don't know, what abstract significance You had told about, but I had told specifically about the significance in first case of original LeelaZero, when there was small overweight in the account in a match with small number of games, but big number of playouts,that was confirmed in a match with big number of games, but small number of playouts, and about the significance in second case of LeelaZero Phoenix (that post was about what), when there was big overweight in the account in a match with small number of games, but big number of playouts (and there wasn't any additional matches).
So there wasn't any fact perversion, but was Your inattentive reading of posts...

The rating of original (weights file format) LeelaZero versions (details):
1) 0.17
2) lz_next_190222(0.16)
3&4) 0.16&0.14
5) 0.15(all)

The only 0.17 version is significantly stronger than previous.

One "trick": for getting not only the LeelaZero version, but and used weights file, replace in GTP.cpp the stroke by the one before engine compiling.