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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Pro opinion of move 67
Post #281 Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:52 pm 
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Back on move 67, Gresil played this:

Gresil wrote:
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[go]$$Bc 67A: W 33, B 30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Topazg changed it to this:

topazg wrote:
...

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[go]$$Bc 67B: W 35, B 30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . C . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I thought that this was also a mistake, and posted this:

Joaz Banbeck wrote:
...

My guess is that Violence will happily pay 1 stone to do this:

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[go]$$Bc 67B: W 35, B 30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . C . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


For beginners:
Lets look at the plans and goals and direction for each of the five groups that are involved in this fight.

1) This long group has at least one eye in the middle, and can easily make another over on the left side ( these areas marked with squares ). It has no defensive concerns. Offensively, it wants to split the two white groups that don't yet have eyes. The gap though which it must push to do this is big, and cannot be closed by white for several moves yet. So this group is in no hurry to act, either on offence or defense.
Capping, as Topazg wants to do, while not a bad move, is a low priority move played at the expense of higher priority moves.

FWIW, a secondary direction of play for this group is sliding into the corner because, if nothing else, it is a corner. It may become a higher priority if the white group in the lower left starts needing the corner for eye space.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O B O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O B . B O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O B . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O B . . B . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B S . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O B . B . . W . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . S B . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . W . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { AR G9 J7 }
$$ { AR G7 J5 }
$$ { AR C5 B3 }[/go]




2) This group has no eyes, and is running. Its direction is primarily away from the strong group to the west, trying to enclose the eyeless black stones to the east. A secondary direction is to go southward just to stay alive. It does not really want to run southward, as this means running along past an enemy wall, but it will do so if it must to stay alive.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X W X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X W W X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . W . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . W . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { AR L10 O10 }
$$ { AR K9 K8 }[/go]



3) This black group has no eyes yet, but can get them in gote if necessary ( around the area marked with the squares ). The fact that J19 is sente to kill the white group to the west gives black just enough room to do this. Making eyes in gote is not desirable except as a last ditch measure.
This group is just barely behind the sector line, and would like to get out, as doing so threatens both of its neighbors. It is probably best to go out between the white groups without touching either, so as to be equally threatening to both, thus keeping white uncertain about where to defend.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O B S S S . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O B B S S . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O B S B . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . B . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { AR L12 N10 }
$$ { LN K10 N14 }[/go]



4) This white group has easy life in gote around the area marked with a square if it has first play to get to L18. Moves like Q15 and P14 may help, although they are aji-keshi.
When living involves aji-keshi and/or losing sente, it is a last ditch alternative.
The best play for this group is to run out to the south, threatening the black neighbors to the west as it runs.

It would also like to interfere with black's potential to make territory along the right side ( in the area marked with the triangles ) by getting there first. But this is a distant fantasy.


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . S . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . W X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . W . . W , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . W . 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . T . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . T . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { AR N14 O11 }[/go]


5) This group already has eye space ( in the area indicated by the square ) and can make territory going southward. Doing this also endangers the white group to its west.


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . S . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O B . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , B . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . B . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { AR Q13 Q10 }[/go]


Summary: so when all five groups are examined, we can see that black has three groups with the following directions of play:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . S . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ { AR Q13 Q10 }
$$ { AR L12 N10 }
$$ { AR G7 J5 }[/go]


The leftmost and rightmost groups have eye space and are not in danger of being surrounded. The middle one has no eyes, and is behind the sector line.
Furthermore, playing from the left group encourages white's neighboring group to play in the direction that it wants to go. Playing from the middle group impedes that.

Black's play at M11 is a no brainer, IMHO.

...


Nonetheless, Violence approved the move. This greatly confused me. So while I was at congress, I asked Yilun Yang about the choice between the two moves. He said that neither was best...

For Topazg and observers:
...and without pausing he then said that the best move in the position was this:

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[go]$$Bc 67A: W 33, B 30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . B . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I wasn't asking for that kind of information, but he thinks and moves faster than I can talk, so I know about it, and it seems unfair of me to know it unilaterally. So, Topazg, now you know it too. This is the purpose of this hidden paragraph.
Now back to the main idea, comparing just two moves...


...but when I persisted on an evaluation of the two moves, he said that it was best to let white's middle group run south and not try to cap him with K8.

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 Post subject: Re: Pro opinion of move 67
Post #282 Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:16 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
...but when I persisted on an evaluation of the two moves, he said that it was best to let white's middle group run south and not try to cap him with K8.


This is interesting, thanks very much for posting it - did he explain why?

I mean, judging on his choice of move, my gut feeling is that he feels that top right White group is really attackable, so chasing the middle one out would make contextual sense, but I'm guessing at his reasoning - did he provide any?

And did he pick M11 as the way to do it if it all? Because to me, M11 still just feels slack :P
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 Post subject: Re: Pro opinion of move 67
Post #283 Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:52 pm 
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[... his reasoning - did he provide any?


Sorry. He did not elaborate and I did not ask. He was just passing by, and I felt that to persist would have been rude, for it was neither scheduled or paid for.

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 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #284 Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:52 pm 
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Sorry for the delay everyone.



No problem. So you made it to Oregon ok?


Yup, made it here on the 9th, we've been settling in, even got a chance to swing by the Corvallis club amidst all of our settling in. (I even have a rival in the form of SeJoon Park, which is pretty awesome) the Corvallis club has a great relaxed atmosphere and on the whole, it's a good place for go. Also swung by the Eugene go club, which I might attend occasionally,

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 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #285 Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:07 am 
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[go]$$Bc 73A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O , X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



The only move I can imagine. Alas, it leads to a type of situation in which I'm scarcely 15 kyu level.


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[go]$$Bc 73A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X 3 . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O 2 X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



The next time I get back to studying go I think I'm going to want a recommendation of a source of problems that deals with just this category of situations—third line contact formations with hanes and the related liberty issues.

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Post #286 Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:15 am 
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Anything else would be nonsense, Black cannot let White solidly cut through this shape at any cost.
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 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #287 Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:45 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #288 Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:12 am 
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[go]$$Bc 74A W35 B 34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . O W X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . . X . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . X . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O . O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that this is the followup to Joaz's move? It should buy us a little space in the top, plus it reduces the liberties of the black group below, starting to threaten Q13. I don't think Q13 works yet, but the following sequence may make it so that it does. Joaz, please let me know when I can safely read your last comment. I was happy with my move, so I want to fully understand why yours is better.

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 Post subject: Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)
Post #289 Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:31 pm 
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I'm going to have to bail out of this game for a while, I've just had a pretty major family life crisis and want to clear my plate out for a while :(

Sorry guys, hope you can pick up a suitable replacement!
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Post #290 Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:01 pm 
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I approve.

I'd like to tell him that the tesuji is as plain as the nose on his face, but that would probably be cheating.



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Sorry guys, hope you can pick up a suitable replacement!


So. guys, what do we do? Maybe we ask Daniel the smith? He is about Topazg's strength, and is on the forum almost daily.

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Post #291 Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:52 am 
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Hope everything turns out alright, Topazg.

As for replacements, I think Tabemasu is of suitable strength. I would nominate him, he's on every day as well.

Yeah, sure, we can go with Daniel.
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Post #292 Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:16 am 
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I'm okay with either of two options: invite someone around the right level or just call it, analyze, and start a new game. The downside of inviting a new person is, if they're active enough and interested in Malkoviches, there's a good chance that they're already to at least some of the hidden information. There's already a lot of useful information for Gresil and I (and hopefully Joaz at least, as well). That said, I'm loving the game, and would be equally happy if we do invite a pinch hitter.

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Post #293 Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:46 am 
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Post #294 Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:21 am 
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@topagz: Good luck solving your problems, and all the best.

@Others: I have read the hidden comments, and won't be a good candidate to take over either.

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Post #295 Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:09 pm 
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If you can't find a big brother that hasn't read the comments, you could have everyone in the game read the comments up till now, then find a new big brother (one that's read comments up till now) and continue playing that way. (Leave the comments hidden after the new big brother starts[/i]).

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Post #296 Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:04 pm 
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Numsgil wrote:
If you can't find a big brother that hasn't read the comments, you could have everyone in the game read the comments up till now, then find a new big brother (one that's read comments up till now) and continue playing that way. (Leave the comments hidden after the new big brother starts[/i]).


This makes good sense generally, but maybe not all of the latest. ( One of my previous posts shows why I disapproved of a move, and showed what I expected to happen in the future. )

So, again, can we get a consensus on a new middle brother? Daniel the smith is one possibility. Who else?

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Post #297 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:37 pm 
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I have been reading all the hidden posts, but that doesn't mean I can remember any of them. I can't even keep track of what side you all are on.

I could fill in if you all want me to.

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Post #299 Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:27 pm 
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I could fill in if you all want me to.


There is nobody really in charge here, but since I started this, I guess I'll step up and pretend to represent everybody. We've gotten several positive responses, and no negatives, so you are officially in as Topazg's replacement. Welcome.

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Post #300 Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:38 pm 
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...but when I persisted on an evaluation of the two moves, he said that it was best to let white's middle group run south and not try to cap him with K8.


This is interesting, thanks very much for posting it - did he explain why?

I mean, judging on his choice of move, my gut feeling is that he feels that top right White group is really attackable, so chasing the middle one out would make contextual sense, but I'm guessing at his reasoning - did he provide any?

And did he pick M11 as the way to do it if it all? Because to me, M11 still just feels slack :P


Of course, I am not sure, but I had a handful of lessons with Mr. Yang, and M11 feels consistent with some suggestions that he gave me - maybe it's his style.

One thing that he stressed a few times to me was to be more defensive (maybe it's just my personal problem), because to have a truly strong attack, it's easiest if you are strong first.

With this in mind, perhaps M11 can aid in securing the black group on top so that black can have a more severe attack on white in the future.

Of course, I have no idea for sure, but this is the feeling I get when I think of M11 and the other things Mr. Yang told me while I took a few lessons from him.

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