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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #81 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:51 am 
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[go]$$Wcm70 Prisoners: W=0, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O X O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | 2 3 X 4 O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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I take the ko if you protect, and I capture D2 if you finish the ko.

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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #82 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm74 Prisoners: W=2, B=2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O . . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | 1 X X O 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm74 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O 5 . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

(Prisoner already added)


I was wrong. I can't even kill with a ko, because of this:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=2
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O 5 . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O 4 . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not that I wanted to kill anyway. It's better to just take sente here.

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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #83 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm74 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O 5 . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Play kikashi before living.

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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #84 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't see how :b79: helps. :scratch:
Unless I'm missing something, it should play out like this now:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O 5 O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O 2 3 . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . X 4 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

possibly without the :b2: :w5: exchange.

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Post #85 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:28 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm80 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . . . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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You protect, I live.

This worked out fine for me. I'll live with my next move.

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Post #86 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:27 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . 1 . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to block this way or else I cannot catch his single stone.

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Post #87 Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:55 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X , . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This went well, but I'm unsure if the loss of sente was worthwhile. (Which seems to be the theme of this game ...)

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Post #88 Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 4:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X 3 . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I have a cut here now. Will post the sequence later.

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Post #89 Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:25 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X O . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O 4 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Have to cut.
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[go]$$Wcm82
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . 5 . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O 9 X O . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 6 O 4 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X 8 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 1 3 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X O 2 4 . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O X O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'll be fine, although this weakens my bottom a lot.

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Post #90 Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:37 pm 
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Have to cut.
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[go]$$Wcm82
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . 5 . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O 9 X O . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 6 O 4 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X 8 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 1 3 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X O 2 4 . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O X O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'll be fine, although this weakens my bottom a lot.


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O a . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 6 1 3 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X O 2 4 . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O . . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O X O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This would be what I call a plan that accomplishes nothing. 5 would be better at A if the goal is to save the group in the center. Even so, before committing to something like this, you should really evaluate, is it worth it to strengthen white's center, and undercut a group. Backing up..


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 7 . 5 . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . 1 4 6 . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . B W 3 . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 8 O 2 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If things proceed normally, black has room to make life, and white has managed to steal a bit of territory.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 7 . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . 1 4 . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O 5 B W 2 . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 6 O 3 X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This line is interesting. Black can't atari with 5 due to the weakness at :bc:, so instead he uses the aji to make possible eye space, and 7 lets black run out. While the lower group is almost surrounded now, there's still room in either variant to make life. If black continues according to his plan, white should be pleased all around.

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Post #91 Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:49 am 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X O 5 . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X 6 . 9 . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O 5 X O 1 8 X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 2 O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think I can get out and then his stones are cut off in an area that is dominated by white stones. I should be able to make some profit from that.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X 5 . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O 3 X O 1 . X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 2 O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


More peaceful variation with potential for a ko, but I can get profit without the ko too.

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Post #92 Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:41 am 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X O O 6 X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm interested in what his follow up for this is. He's made himself short on liberties. Right now the ladder works. I'm fairly certain that after his next move, which will save his two stones. I can threaten to capture the L4 stones or the J3 stone.

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Post #93 Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:40 am 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . 7 . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

According to plan. The move order is interchangeable. I just have to make sure that I don't accidentally give him an opportunity to capture J3.

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Post #94 Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:54 am 
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[go]$$Wcm82 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X . . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O . X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 8 O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He can have this empty triangle. I'll follow the trigger, then live with my stones. His empty triangle will be short on liberties, so I can get forcing moves there. I'm not going to die (I'll just keep telling myself that ...) I'm looking at attaching at H7.


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[go]$$Bcm Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X 5 . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O 4 X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 1 O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X 3 2 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #95 Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm89 Prisoners: W=2, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X 5 . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O 4 X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O 1 O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O X 3 2 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Good so far. Since he gave me the trigger I don't think he saw a way to catch my 3 stones, so he's either going to sacrifice his separated group now or he'll try to live with them. There's still a lot of aji, so I'm curious what he will do next.

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Post #96 Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:51 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 2 . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I sacrificed there in order to keep my eyeshape on the bottom. Whether or not it worked ... I don't feel like reading that out. I need to overplay now, as I'm behind on the board.

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Post #97 Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:02 pm 
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Redundant:

Do you regret 63, considering how the game has evolved ? To me it seemed a little incongruous with 55.

Also, it's never time to overplay :P

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 Post subject: Re: 61. Redundant (4k) vs. Zwergesel (3k)
Post #98 Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:12 pm 
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I regret nothing! Actually, I totally forgot about the connection issues. However, this does make a giant mess out of everything, which is what I want, given that I'm behind (as of that count I did a while back).

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Post #99 Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:25 am 
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[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . 3 . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Can he live with these stones? I hope not! Anyway, I want to take care of my three weak stones first, because the more moves he gets on the left, the more trouble he can cause to them:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=5, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . 8 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O B . 5 4 . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 7 3 2 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

An attack of some sorts is forming.

Since I think that his last move doesn't need a local answer immediately, the one-point jump from my weak stones feels like the best response possible. If he hanes next, I can still extend.

Let's do a quick count:

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[go]$$Wcm96 Prisoners: W=5, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . b . w . . w . b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . w . . w . b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . w . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O w . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . w . w . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O b . . . . . |
$$ | b b X . w . . . O O O . . b . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . w . . . . . w . . . b X b b b |
$$ | w w O O . . . . . , w . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . 3 . . . X . X O w |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . b . w w |
$$ | . X . X X O O O . b . . . . . b . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Assuming I can catch his group I count around 100 points + komi for white and around 90 for black, so if I win this fight I'm ahead by around 15+ points. I estimate this fight to be worth around 30-35 points, maybe more, so it's really crucial to kill these stones now.

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Post #100 Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:38 am 
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[go]$$Wcm98 Prisoners: W=5, B=3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O . X X . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O , X O O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X . X . X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . O X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . O . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . O . . X . X X X . O . . O O . . . . |
$$ | O . O O O . O O X O O X X X O , O . . |
$$ | . O X X O . O . O X X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | O X X . X O . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He's trying for the kill. This is going to be harder than he thinks (... I hope.)

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