[go]$$Bc 104A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . W . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bc 103A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X B . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 1 7 W . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 4 3 2 5 . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 9 8 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bc 103A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X B . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 8 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . 0 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 5 6 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . 2 O X 9 7 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . 1 W 3 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bc 103A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X C 9 . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 8 | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . O | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 4 O 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 3 2 5 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . 0 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay, I'm really frustrated. I was seriously proud of the reading I had for the last move. However, I had misread, and been convinced that the net worked. As I've shown here, I now do not believe that it does. If the net doesn't work, I see absolutely no way to save 1/4 of the stones we have on the board. I am going to play the move for the net, just in case you two see something here that I'm missing. If there is no secret super-move that I'm missing, I suggest we resign.
_________________ Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
[go]$$Bcm105 105A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 1 7 W . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 4 3 2 5 9 . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 8 0 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bcm115 115A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 3 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 5 . 4 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 2 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X 1 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O W . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bcm115 115A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 3 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . 5 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 2 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X 1 4 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O W . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bcm115 115A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 3 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . 4 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 2 5 | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X 1 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O W . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bcm105 105A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 1 7 W . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 4 3 2 5 9 0 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 8 . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Because of the shortage of liberties, Black must extend, and now can't connect underneath:
[go]$$Bcm115 115A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 5 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 8 7 . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X W . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 3 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 2 6 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
So presumably Black ambles down the side, but how far, and can he get enough liberties? "a" or "b"?
[go]$$Bcm115 115A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X W . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 3 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 2 5 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 a . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . b . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"b" looks to me unplayable, because, again, of liberties:
[go]$$Bcm121 121A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 5 | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 6 . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . W 2 3 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
"a" looks to me unplayable, because, again, of liberties too, but there are more squeezy aji things here that I'm losing the will to live over (I don't think any of them work, but wow my head hurts).
[go]$$Bcm121 121A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . 7 O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . 6 O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 5 . W 1 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My money's on White, but wow, I'm glad this isn't a real time with me playing in.
EDIT: Hold on, new reading alert coming
Actually, I think Black has 4 liberties, which is enough for ...:
[go]$$Bcm123 123A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 9 . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . 1 2 3 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 7 O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 5 O O 8 X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 6 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O B 4 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . W . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bcm123 123A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . 1 7 . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 5 O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 3 O O 6 X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 4 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O B 2 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . W . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bcm123 123A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . 1 4 5 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 9 O O X 3 . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 7 O O 0 X O 2 . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 8 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O B 6 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . W . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now Black's in atari, so can't get that extra liberty. If Black plays on top:
[go]$$Bcm123 123A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 9 . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . 1 4 5 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X 3 . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 7 O O . X O 2 . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 8 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X 0 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O B 6 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . W . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bcm115 115A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X W . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 3 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 2 5 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 a . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . b . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bcm115 115A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . 9 . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X W . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 3 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 2 5 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't think after the black hane at the top, the critical white cutting stones can get more than three liberties.
[go]$$W W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . 1 X 3 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . 2 O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 6 O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 4 O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$W W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 4 O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 2 O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X 3 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Many thanks, I saw your as a self-atari when I looked at the hane, and gave up on it. How I didn't read out the connect and die I don't know. I think my brain had fried at that point
So you think Black's favourable from that, or did I miss something earlier on?
Many thanks, I saw your as a self-atari when I looked at the hane, and gave up on it. How I didn't read out the connect and die I don't know. I think my brain had fried at that point
So you think Black's favourable from that, or did I miss something earlier on?
Who knows what we've missed, but I've thought for a while that Black should be winning this fight.
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I don't really see a way out of this for us. It looks like we have to lose either the 5 stones or the 6 stones. I guess I'll just let Gresil's next move stand and see how Violence gets out of this...
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However, it is more complex than I thought. I think white can bring it down to a ko at T6/T7. It is a ko that we cannot afford to lose. We have two internal ko threats; black has none. So we can beat back threats against our biggest uninvolved group over on the middle left. The best that they can get is a threat against our upper left or lower left groups. In return, we get a 16-stone group and safety for all of our groups that killed it. A threat against the lower left does not really kill, it just crushes it low or steals the corner. A threat against the upper left still alows us a two-step ko to live.
About 10 moves ago we appeared to be in a desperate situation. Now it looks like we will come out ahead in this fight.
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 5 . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X 1 . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O 2 4 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 3 6 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Wc 3 is forced, btw $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O a | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 3 . b | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O 2 | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X 8 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 4 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My memory is a bit fuzzy here. There may have been an exchange of 'a' for 'b'.
In some variations, after the a-b exchange, black is stymied from the top, but can approach from the bottom. To stall this, prior to black 8 white throws in at 'c' to make black's 'd' a self-atari.
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . i . O j . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O f X O e . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O X | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . O | $$ | . g O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O d | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O X | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X c | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X 8 | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O | $$ | . . . , h O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White has internal ko threats at 'e' and then 'f'. Black has only external ko threats. This advantage may be enough to allow white to defend the most dangerous threat at 'g', and force black to take the threat at 'h' or 'i'. BTW, my previous note about a subsequent two-step ko up top was wrong. I was carelessly asuming that the ko theat against that group would be 'j', but 'i' is clearly better.
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Uh...oh...we may be screwed. I have been playing the right side assuming that we always have 4 liberties up top. But there is another branch that I didn't see.
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . 4 1 . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O 2 X O 3 . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now there are two branches:
The simple one in which white can tenuki back to the right side with 4 liberties:
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X 1 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . 2 O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 3 O O O X . X . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That is the one that I have been reading when concluding that we could win. But the complex version looks like this:
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . 6 3 4 . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X 2 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . 1 O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 5 O O O X . X . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bc 4 fills at P18 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . O 2 O . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . 5 O 1 O . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . X O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X . X 3 O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X X O O O X . X . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . 6 3 4 . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X 2 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . 1 O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 5 O O O X . X . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . 4 1 . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . 5 O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X 3 . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O 2 . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . 7 4 5 . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X 3 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X 2 X O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 1 O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 6 O O . X O O . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
[go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . 6 5 . O X 4 . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X 3 X O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X 1 O O X X . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 2 O O . X O O . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X O . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Which becomes an enormous ko which we take first... I think we win...
[go]$$Bc 105A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O B . O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Liberties are everything here. I must make a move that removes one of theirs or gains one for us. Toward the top there are on first glance four adjacent groups with three liberties each. The possibility of white S15 looms over the situation and limits our choices: loss of the P15 liberty means having to take gote to capture at S15, which rules out P15 and O16 as the next black move—we can't cut white here. The only remaining potentially useful liberty-removing move in the top is M15. What does that do? Nothing, from the looks of it.
[go]$$Bc 105A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . 4 . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 1 O O 2 X O 3 . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't know what the correct is (edit: see next message), but this doesn't seem like an useful exchange. As I said, I see no other sente moves at the top.
Down the board there's the O12 group in threat of being captured. The only move that breaks it out even temporarily is this:
[go]$$Bc 105A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 1 7 O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 4 3 2 5 . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can't read any further and don't know if it works, but I don't know what else to play.
_________________ So you've got an eye? That don't impress me much
Last edited by Gresil on Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
[go]$$Bc 105A W52 B49 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 1 O O 2 X O 3 . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 4 . O . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
_________________ So you've got an eye? That don't impress me much
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as a self-atari when I looked at the hane, and gave up on it. How I didn't read out the connect and die I don't know. I think my brain had fried at that point 
is (edit: see next message), but this doesn't seem like an useful exchange. As I said, I see no other sente moves at the top.