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Offline emerus
 Post subject: Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)
Post #21 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:34 am 
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[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]SZ[19]AB[pd][dd][dp](;B[nq])(;B[pp];W[nq];B[pn];W[fp];B[dn];W[fc];B[df];W[nd];B[pf];W[jp];B[ec];W[fd];B[jd];W[jf](;B[le];W[nf];B[lg]C[I don't think W can cut;](;W[kd];B[ke];W[je];B[id];W[ld];B[he];W[lf]C[I was afraid of this... but -];B[kf];W[kg];B[me]C[This move wasn't easy for me to see.])(;W[lc]C[W might help his two stones, but I think it's maybe wrong direction. He always has the 3-3 to hit.])(;W[id]C[I would play here but maybe it strengthens B too much.];B[ic];W[jc];B[ib](;W[jb])(;W[je];B[kd](;W[jb])(;W[hc]C[Maybe?])))(;W[ff];B[ge](;W[fe])(;W[id])))(;B[ld];W[nf];B[lf]C[I think that I typically fear this shape irrationally but here, I think the shape is fine (tower peep isnt a threat) but, it's simply one space slower than W.])(;B[ie](;W[ff];B[ge];W[fe];B[hg]C[I liked something like this - but it seems like I'm focusing on attacking just to feel good. I dunno. I think it's more severe but without purpose for B.])(;W[gg])(;W[gf];B[if];W[ig];B[jg];W[hg];B[kf];W[jh];B[kg];W[pc]C[I think white could play this way as well...]))))[/sgf-full]
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 Post subject: Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)
Post #22 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:30 am 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . 5 . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Magicwand(4d) vs Emerus (2k)
Post #23 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:31 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Jedo
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Post #24 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:35 pm 
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does anyone think this might be better for black?

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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #25 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:46 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #26 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:00 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 8 . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . c . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


These are the options that I see. 'a' is natural and huge for either player. I am just really tempted to not play it.

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[go]$$cm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


m11 doesn't look that big now that I see it on board.

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[go]$$cm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . 5 4 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . 3 . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Blacks stones are weak and it doesn't look like there is anything to do but run. Also the right is just a bunch of 4th line stones. Is q12 really that big? White looks too good!

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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 1 . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I feel like I need to take the initiative on the left side, white r12 will hurt later but he has his own problems to worry about right now. My best hope is to come out of this with safe groups and sente to fix the upper right group.
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Post #27 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:14 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . 9 . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #28 Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:34 pm 
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$$ | . . . . X O . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I didn't really think that much about this one - vital point for both sides eye-shape and double sente?. I dunno, lately I feel that there is a lot fundamentally wrong and I can't pinpoint it. For instance, when I was weaker I even thought I understood pro games(I could memorize them much better too), but now, I can't predict or memorize them as well. Overload of new ideas? That's optimistic. :D

So, I want to question and get feedback about moves like these that I KNOW I'd play instantly in a normal match.

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[go]$$cm Prisoner Count: B-0 W-.5
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . 4 2 3 . . b M 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . . X . Q . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . O . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . Y . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . O . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm What about this?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 7 . 9 . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . O O X 6 8 0 3 1 2 . . |
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The battle seems to be revolving around these two groups. o16 has both m17 and q17 to settle and it's out as long as white has q12. 5 and b(or X?) are big moves to solidify myself and perhaps threaten o16 again but BIG - not urgent. Even though neither of the marked groups is about to die. I think that playing near them is urgent.

I disregarded the previous diagram because I don't think I can cut white after o18 and all the moves seem pretty forced for B.
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my internet is bad...i have hard time commenting
believe it or not, i put alot of thought on this move...

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Wow, this actually looks like a really nice move. It eyes the weakness at 'a', I'm pretty sure. So, white is alive easily, I got a very useful center move and j17 to help my group. Time to strengthen the top right and attack W? I think so. But I will wait till after I eat to do some reading and see if there's maybe a way to keep attacking h17.

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I want influence around here. I will keep treating q12 and q17 as miai as I can't quite attack white's three stones until my group is settled.

The move is cutting, trying to surround, trying to get into the center and I honestly couldn't find another local move. It looks quite thin "running with a knights move" but I'm going to go with it.
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Cut now, think later. Maybe after a beer or two.
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That hurts. I don't think my result on the top is good but just fine. I guess it's about what you'd expect with 4 handicap stones. My group has done it's purpose (to break up this side and keep white small) but I haven't quite gotten around to any fun attacking yet.
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That hurts. I don't think my result on the top is good but just fine. I guess it's about what you'd expect with 4 handicap stones. My group has done it's purpose (to break up this side and keep white small) but I haven't quite gotten around to any fun attacking yet.


Do not be so greedy. This hurts White a lot more than Black. I do not even see much hurt for Black. So far, I do not think that Black has lost any significant ground. Black has no weak groups on the board, while White is still thin almost everywhere.

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I expected a more solid move from W with this contact play - I don't see any reason why I can't push and cut right now. Will have to read a little.
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