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 Post subject: fuseki problem.
Post #1 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:40 pm 
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$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$-----------------------------[/go]


Interesting fuseki.

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Post #2 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:13 pm 
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Interesting fuseki.


I don't see any reason not to go for the obvious here.

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$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . B . . .|
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$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$-----------------------------[/go]

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:19 pm 
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I think black has made two mistakes already. I don't think white's bottom stone threatens to take advantage of the poor shimari, so taking the last corner seems easiest.

Making the pillbox shape seems like the high concept way to carry on.

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Post #4 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:45 pm 
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Take the other corner?
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$$| . . . . O . . . . . . . . . a . . . .|
$$| . . . , . . . . . , . . . . a a . . .|
$$| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . a a a . .|
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Post #5 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:49 pm 
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Did you mean this instead?
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$$. . . . .|
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Post #6 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:01 pm 
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$$----------------------------------------[/go]



Ooops! :o

Sorry, It was this:

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$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
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Post #8 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:19 pm 
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Post #9 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:34 pm 
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I would play this:

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But, honestly, I would never be in this position, I don't like the way those left side enclosures look.

Also, I think there's already been a mistake, as in this position:

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$$| . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . , b . .|
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$$| . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . .|
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$$| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
$$----------------------------------------[/go]


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Post #10 Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:34 pm 
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Those left side enclosures look freaky! Its what makes it so strange, ithink.

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