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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Post #141 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:14 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . 8 X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

As suspected, I need eye space down there if it gets really bloody.

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Offline Kirby
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Post #142 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:42 pm 
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I want black to attack the three, thin white stones on the right. They look weak enough to die.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Post #143 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:13 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
I want black to attack the three, thin white stones on the right. They look weak enough to die.

@Kirby
that is where i disagree with you.
to my eye that group is very light and not easily attacked.
attack is good only if you have good attacking sequence.
i dont see that here.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #144 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:47 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
Kirby wrote:
I want black to attack the three, thin white stones on the right. They look weak enough to die.

@Kirby
that is where i disagree with you.
to my eye that group is very light and not easily attacked.
attack is good only if you have good attacking sequence.
i dont see that here.


@Magicwand
I trust your judgement. In fact, I have not determined a "good attacking sequence". But it is my instinct to try to attack since the stones seem weak. Maybe this is my problem (not always try to seek the result of an idea). The stones feel weak to me, so I would probably try to attack them in a game...

Writing things out like this make me wonder about your earlier comment that, the game of go is complex, so you do not always try to figure out how the opponent will play. At least it seems to me that you sometimes play on instinct... How do you contrast this idea with the idea of not attacking without having a good attacking sequence?

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Post #145 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:19 am 
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Kirby wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
Kirby wrote:
I want black to attack the three, thin white stones on the right. They look weak enough to die.

@Kirby
that is where i disagree with you.
to my eye that group is very light and not easily attacked.
attack is good only if you have good attacking sequence.
i dont see that here.


@Magicwand
I trust your judgement. In fact, I have not determined a "good attacking sequence". But it is my instinct to try to attack since the stones seem weak. Maybe this is my problem (not always try to seek the result of an idea). The stones feel weak to me, so I would probably try to attack them in a game...

Writing things out like this make me wonder about your earlier comment that, the game of go is complex, so you do not always try to figure out how the opponent will play. At least it seems to me that you sometimes play on instinct... How do you contrast this idea with the idea of not attacking without having a good attacking sequence?

@Kirby
since you somewhat understand korean, you should be able to see "Mac" (which means vital point) at first glance.
that will help you read if the group is in danger or not.

if white plays at "a" then it is pretty much alive.
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . 8 X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O a . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]



if black plays 1 then white will hanne giving white flexablility
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]



below is not much of an attack
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


then attacking vital point is below. but since white is light... attack really dont work.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]



i did that reading in few second because i know my vital points.
weaker players will consider many many variations that are useless because they dont have sense of vital points.
variation should be a series of vital points. then there are limited variations you should consider.

only way to improve your reading is practicing L&D IMO.
they will give you sense of what is vital points.

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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Post #146 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:48 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X 0 . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


This gives white a little more forcing aji in the corner, but prevents a ko that could be created by immediately atari-ing. I really want to connect at P15, but don't think I can, as then I just have a weak group. Fairly sure I messed up somewhere locally, and that Violence's hide block will show me where...


Violence: Thanks, I'm sure the contents of that block will be helpful, after.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Post #147 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:52 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


This gives me eye space in sente. More importantly, it means that Q18 is no longer a big issue. I think that my honorable opponent's last should have been the capture.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #148 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:58 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X C 2 . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


That's one capture each, right? Sorry, don't have time to check backwards right now.

All of a sudden, I feel like I might be falling behind quickly. I need to see how this fight goes, then count.

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Post #149 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:45 pm 
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Thank you for the explanation. Maek/mac is definitely important to see. Up until now, I've thought of the "knowledge of maek/mac" on a continuous scale rather than a binary one. In other words, I never felt that "you know make or you don't", but rather that you could get better and better at seeing maek/mac.

Obviously I do not know vital points as well as I should, but during a game, isn't it still important to consider whatever variations you can at your current level, in order to stretch your "maek/mac ability"?

Or is it really a binary trait (eg. "You see maek or you don't")?

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Post #150 Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:44 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X 3 X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Yes, I agree, one capture each.

Trigger for Chew:
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . 4 5 X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


Comments for everyone else:
Until recently, this game was going badly. He came out way better on the left then I expected. In the last several moves he seems to be striving for certainty by playing very conservatively when he should have been playing aggressively to exploit my weak right side group. The result is that my upper right is safe and my right side can only be attacked if he is willing to create an eyeless group in the center.

That eyeless group looks like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O 4 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . 8 . 3 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . 5 1 2 X 7 . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O 6 . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


This can lead to some fighting where I think I can outplay him. If he doesn't fight like this, my upper side can get real big.
For the first time since he played F7 I am feeling that I may have a decent chance of winning this.

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Post #151 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:27 am 
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My sealed move:

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[go]$$Wcm51
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . a O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . 4 5 X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . 8 . 6 O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


No idea why Joaz suggested chew play at "a", it's a horrible move :-?

White can't block directly:

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[go]$$Wcm53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . 2 3 X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . 4 O 7 9 . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . 5 6 8 0 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


EDIT: FWIW, I think Joaz is right about having clawed a lot back here. I think Chew has become way too passive, and made a real blunder with :b48:

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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X O a . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X c 8 X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


I think "a" is the only move here, leaving "b" and "c" as a sort of miai. Either White still ends with a weak group, or Black gets to treat the single stone lightly and collect points in sente:

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[go]$$Bcm48
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X C 1 . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . 5 . . . X 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


This looks fine for Black to me, although I still think White's profited a fair bit globally since starting his invasion.
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Post #152 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:47 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . 6 X O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . a O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . a . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . 6 X O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Ha! I'm all done running and living. My big group is safe as houses, now. I'm aiming at all points 'a'. The lesson here is, when your opponent yells 'BLOODBATH!', don't cower. Just gain stability, then ask him whose. =D

I had originally considered the atari directly, but that seems to remove a bit of aji from the peep at P18. At the moment, I have a weak group being chased by another weak group, so we'll see what happens.

I'm in a much better mood this morning, and much more happy with my go. This is the fight I've chosen, and I'm eager to see it out.

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Post #153 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O 7 . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

A little elbow room in sente ( S14 kills if he tenukis. )

Next, I want to get 'a' if I can, but I think that then 'b' by him kills me, or at best leaves him with an outside wall and no weak groups, while I would be struggling to live small in gote. So I probably have to take 'b' myself.`
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . a a . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X . . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . b b O 7 . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . b b . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #154 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X 8 . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


To observers:
He will probably live in the middle easily enough by pressing me low. I'll pursue him by extending my right side group into the middle. As it gets stronger, then his lower right corner becomes a potential target.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O O . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O X X X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . X . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . X X . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . O O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


If I'm strong enough in the middle, I can poke at it from below, and make territory at the bottom.

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Post #155 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . 0 O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X 8 . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Sorry, crazy few days at work.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . B O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , 3 . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . 2 4 . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


This 60 doesn't fully work immediately, but it doesn't burn a ton of aji, either. It might be a ko threat lost, but in the meantime, it's a forcing move that buys some small aid for my group.
Perhaps I should be intimdated that my opponent has a lot of stones nearby, but it still feels loose enough that I should be able to escape without incurring too much trouble. This is especially true because his right-side group doesn't quite look safe yet, so its options are limited. I can lean on it if I need to, and I can take 'a' to kick the hornet's nest anytime I want. I may actually take it before long, to keep him unstable in sente, and then run past his group for a touchdown.

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Post #156 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:00 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . X O . O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
$$ | . . O O X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------------------[/go]

Forced. If I ignore, he encircles me in sente. If I hane above, he ataris two stones, I protect, then the ladder works for him.

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Post #157 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:07 pm 
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My sealed move:

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[go]$$Wcm61
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 4 1 5 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 6 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . . 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 7 4 1 8 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 5 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . 6 2 O X . X . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . O 8 5 X O 3 O X X . |
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Not... uh... looking so good here...
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Post #159 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:22 pm 
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My sealed move:

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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 4 1 5 . . O O . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 7 4 1 8 . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O . 5 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . , . . 6 2 O X . X . |
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$$ -------------------------------------[/go]


White could protect at 67 in the second diagram, couldn't he? Still, I think that I like your 62, considering Chew didn't put it in his diagram.


Edit: Ninja'd by a violent ninja.

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 Post subject: Re: Malkovich 104 - Joaz vs Chew Terr
Post #160 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:55 pm 
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@Violence:

D'oh. Maybe :b64: at :w65: in your diagram then - although the atari exchange feels a bit aji-keshi (I'm never sure though, as I see White making the empty triangle to prevent that sort of thing in pro games, so I'm never sure if it should get played or not when shape is so important). Because of the following descent, I assume Black can get the stretch in sente and then play for better shape.

I suck at reading at the moment :-?


EDIT:

Is this good enough for Black right now? How attackable is this thing. I mean, White's just lost all his top side point potential, so he needs a good attack against some group somewhere.

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$$ | . . . . . O . . 9 O 6 4 X O 3 O X X . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . 8 . . . 2 O X . X . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . 0 . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . X X O X X . |
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$$ -------------------------------------[/go]
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