127. ez4u vs topazg

topazg · **#61**

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Right, the game's about to get exciting. He can't easily ignore this, because the corner damage is great (although there are other huge points too, so he sort of can). He can't slide over the top, because I'll let him push me into his corner:

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Which means I think his only reasonable local response is to block and leave the aji for me to sweat over, and I'm gonna go take the big point. I'm pretty sure I'm unconditionally alive at the top now, and there are no great and crucifying points losses to take just to live in gote. So, why the bottom edge? Because I've been a bit foolish and made it huge:

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Just looking at those marked stones, how unpleasant does this feel? Pretty bad, I think. Bad enough, if I'm honest, that he may just play there now and ignore my last move - at least if he does do that I can poke around in the top left and be reasonably happy. However, I think my latest move is urgent, and if he does respond, I think the diagram below looks much better than the diagram above:

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I have reasoning for my precise placement of 43. If you want to ask, please do. I'm also wanting the following, as it enables the :b45:

->

push, but I think that just helps White a lot more than Black if I haven't already gotten a foothold on the bottom edge:

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Further thoughts:

Kirby · **#62**

@topazg:

topazg · **#63**

Kirby wrote:

@topazg:

Ok, with the caveat that my reasoning isn't necessarily good reasoning, it's as follows:

"High or Low"

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White's marked stones make the bottom middle seem pretty big potentially, and I would rather attack the influence that they bring than with them than play for points and risk my whole right side framework being reduced too severely. On that note, the move I want to play next is my :b45:

above, and I think the high move is better balanced with this position. In fact, :b45:

feels so ideal, that I'm predicting the following :w44:

, and hoping to use :b43:

to be intimidating in the fight:

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I have no idea what I'll want to do next, though "a" and "b" and "c" are some of my thoughts, but I think "a", :b43:

, and

make a good enough shape that it feels better than if :b43:

was flat.

So, that's high and low, but why not K4 or M4?

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With M4, this feels far too ideal for White, and not only is Black's position smaller, but the further slide underneath is going to be really annoying to defend against. The flipside is K4, which feels dangerous:

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Ok, that's just throwing stones around, but it feels like I'm too far away from my stones to be happy in this position. He may even pincer my choice of :b43:

, but at least if he does, I can do the following:

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Now not only am I partially settled, but I can also aim at the aji around "a" later.

Likewise, he can't make a two space extension with my move, as this seems terrible for White:

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And, the one point jump (at "a") feels too small and overconcentrated to be of enough value just yet.

Hope that explains my thoughts some

PS The marked stones are the ones that I think dictate why this area is so big and urgent to get a stone into asap.

ez4u · **#64**

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topazg · **#65**

Just off to bed, but I want to think about this one

topazg · **#66**

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Addendum:

Psychee · **#67**

Magicwand · **#68**

ez4u · **#69**

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topazg · **#70**

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ez4u · **#71**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . 6 , X . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · **#72**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmmm, cute, and clever, I hadn't even read that, as normally an "already pincered" three point jump on the fourth line leads to problems, even with it being White's move. However, simply running out doesn't give me eyes, and threatens to ruin my right hand side. It's not like I can build thickness to attack things, and he's clearly locally stronger than me in this area. This could be a complicated fight, but I think I'm the weaker here, so contacting to settle makes sense to me.

My reading is basically as follows:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Ladder doesn't work, but so what $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 7 . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X 9 O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Not sure which I want yet $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 9 7 8 . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O 9 . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm43 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X 6 O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . 9 8 . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Well, this may be short, but the ride'll be worth the admission fee

ez4u · **#73**

I believe I should think about this situation. As I am off to my usual Saturday schedule = Go followed by drinking, I probably will not post the next play until tomorrow about this time. Appologies! :bow:

topazg · **#74**

ez4u wrote:

I believe I should think about this situation. As I am off to my usual Saturday schedule = Go followed by drinking, I probably will not post the next play until tomorrow about this time. Appologies! :bow:

Don't apologise, have a wonderful day, and come back inspired

We have an audience to entertain

SpongeBob · **#75**

Yeah, audience is watching you ...
Great game, excellent comments! Thanks for playing guys.

topazg · **#76**

SpongeBob wrote:

Yeah, audience is watching you ...
Great game, excellent comments! Thanks for playing guys.

Always nice to know there actually are people watching

Glad it's interesting enough!

ez4u · **#77**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My hangover was too bad to post this morning :blackeye:

This is the advanced technique called "fishing". It follows the proverb, "When you don't know what to do, fight!" (since I really do not know what is best here)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 6 9 0 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 7 8 X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X 5 W . 2 3 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My original thought had been that I could use the peep at :w2:

to set up the usual driving tesuji. However, the more I looked at it the more concerned I became that if White does not really have anywhere to go here and that Black could keep on happily being pushed from behind and let White's eyeless group get larger and larger. Other attempts to directly run with the marked stone seem inevitably heavy.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 4 6 7 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 8 2 1 5 . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O 0 X 3 W . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The other idea would be to sacrifice the marked stone immediately by playing :w4:

. White then tries to build strength toward the center but Black's counter hane at :b9:

leaves a very complex situation.

topazg · **#78**

Bwahhh??

Let the battle of sabaki-fu commence

I'll be doing some heavy reading tonight!

Bill Spight · **#79**

topazg wrote:

I'll be doing some heavy reading tonight!

War and Peace? Ulysses?

topazg · **#80**

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O 9 . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, this move was insanely hard to choose. Effectively we've just added a second battleground to the war, and they both influence each other quite a lot. That means I can escalate, pick one battle at the expense, or do something else completely. Only kidding, that last one's definitely not an option here.

So, where do we go?

That first stone has lots of aji sadly, and it's a real thorn. I'd considered the following (a->f) local White responses before playing it:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . b B a . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X d O c e , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . f . C . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

At this point, I was happy, as none of them seemed to work, as I got a number of really useful sabaki-esque sequences depending on what happened. I need to be slightly careful, as I cannot under any circumstances let White cut L4 off completely, but I have certain ways around that, such as the following:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 B 2 . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X 0 O 3 . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . 9 8 5 7 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, my shape sucks at the bottom, he gets a ponnuki, and it's all a bit annoying. It's ok though, and a reasonable save with some reduction possibilities for later. Unfortunately, after playing the contact, I saw the circled point (original diagram, at O3), and can't find a particularly good response to it.

So, there's some really huge aji in that stone, and I want it gone.

The latest contact is also pretty big, but more importantly than that, some of the complicated "nearly working" fights for White run very much into that area of the board - particularly the ones where he has to "run out". I mean, even looking at the latest sequence, if you add a White stone over there, it doesn't look nice at all, and my lower right influence is minimal:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 6 . . W . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 B 2 . X . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O 3 . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . 5 7 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Now, I could simply start the fight on the right instead, but I think my L4 stone is too important not to have to return to - so if I respond to the last move, I'm still going to have to find clever ways of handling him getting the momentum of the first fight going, knowing that some of the other resistances than I've just shown have been given an extra weapon or two.

So, I figure this move pretty much eliminates the aji, gives me outside influence as it limits his sabaki options, and the last move he's made can't easily make a base even with an extra move. Not only that, but because I have also made good territory here, and threaten to hane under now and make a bunch more territory, his single stone is in danger of becoming heavy simply because of its value relative to me taking the whole, large, corner. There's just way too many pros for playing this, especially as I have half an eye on his middle wall becoming an attackable group (especially now he has another stone to care for!)

I presume he's now going to follow up something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . B . 6 X 4 . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O 3 . 7 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He may not, that's a lot of lost aji in the very lower right corner (he may just skip :w50:

and

), but it's a hard fight for him now, and he can't use and abuse the remainder of the possibilities of :w46:

, as I've just taken most of them away. If I can cash reasonably substantially, and gain some semblance of sente (by taking this move, I also give him a harder time of keeping sente as he has to try to settle that stone), I can then aim at a corner move in the top left, which I really want before deciding what to do in the lower left. Something like this perhaps?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm55 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X O . X O X . | $$ | . . 3 O . . O O . , X . X O . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . X O . . X . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , X . O X . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As an aside, I'm slightly worried about the open nature of my group in the top right, so I'm hoping he's going to be forced into strengthening it to look after his stone - if I can take points at the bottom, induce him to fix some of my aji on the right, and keep sente, I think I'll have gotten a good result. This of course means I suspect all this won't end up happening.

127. ez4u vs topazg

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