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Offline EdLee
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Post #121 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:18 pm 
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How about double atari directly?
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 1 . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 3 O . . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X . X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
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Post #122 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:28 pm 
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TJ's plan?
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 3 . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 2 5 6 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 1 O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X 4 X 8 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
The double atari seems better...?
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 2 . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 1 4 5 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 3 W 7 . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X . X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
But in both cases, W(a) is a problem for B.
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Post #123 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:35 pm 
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@EdLee:
EdLee wrote:
TJ's plan?
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 3 . 7 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 2 5 6 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 1 O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X 4 X 8 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
The double atari seems better...?
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 2 . 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 1 4 5 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 3 W 7 . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X . X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
But in both cases, W(a) is a problem for B.


Black can't play 2 in your first diagram :

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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X 6 2 7 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O 5 X X 1 O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X 3 X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
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Tryss,
You're right. :)
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Post #125 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:49 am 
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Now I'm really curious...

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Post #126 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:45 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X 1 O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X . X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #127 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:50 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X 2 X . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #128 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:42 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X 3 . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He's not taking my bait...

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Offline Laman
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Post #129 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:43 am 
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i tend to believe white just made a mistake...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 129-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 1 . 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 3 4 2 . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

many variations possible, but black should be safe (without ko), therefore kill white four stones and secure black corner stones. painful for white

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Post #130 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:29 am 
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@Laman:
This seems impossible for black due to :w2:, am I missing something?
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 129-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 3 4 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 2 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #131 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:38 am 
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It seems I had misread:

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[go]$$Bc1 5 fills @H17
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 1 2 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had missed that after 6, black must break out, otherwise he will lose the capturing race, and white can connect underneath.

I have to think about what's best for a while.

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Post #132 Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:46 am 
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@Laman:
This seems impossible for black due to :w2:, am I missing something?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 131-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 1 . 5 b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 3 4 a c . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X W . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 2 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

white 2 is reasonable and it is the possibly best answer. i put it to the first version of my diagram until i realised that there are some more difficult sequences by the edge. after your sequence black follows with the same 5 as in my diagram 129-1 and makes an easy life with 'a' to 'd'

tj86430 wrote:
It seems I had misread:

...

I had missed that after 6, black must break out, otherwise he will lose the capturing race, and white can connect underneath.

I have to think about what's best for a while.

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[go]$$Bc1 Diagram 131-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 3 4 5 c . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X C 1 2 a . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O d . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this one is tricky, but the same 5 once again saves the day. if white captures the ko, black ataris at 'a' and white can't connect. if white plays 'a', black ends the ko by 'b' and then he has a miai of 'c' and 'd'

ganbare, tj86430!

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Post #133 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:38 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 4 . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I had already written this:

"I'm envisioning something like:

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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X 7 . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O 5 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 6 4 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After which I think I'm relatively safe with both weak groups and can think of attacking his group in between.

I believe he must play 77 somewhere in the top, otherwise I will kill something:

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[go]$$Bc1 4 tenuki, 9 connects
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 7 8 0 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 5 6 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O 2 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 3 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O O . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I still think that if I can keep all my groups alive I'm comfortably ahead."

BUT then I decided to take another look at my original line and came up with this:

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[go]$$Wcm71 78 connects
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 6 7 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 4 5 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 0 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X 2 . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now it gets complicated. If white wants to save his cutting stone he must do something about it, lets say 83 below:

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[go]$$Wcm81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O 3 . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After this I haven't been able to read all possibilities, but the ones I have read end up in my favour. So I'm going to risk a lot and try this out. I think I still have a good chance even if this doesn't work, provided that I can keep my to dragons alive.

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Post #134 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:22 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X O 4 5 . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I misread. I think I will resign soon.

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Post #135 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:28 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X 8 X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #136 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:33 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wonder if that was best for black... Ah well, let's see what happens a bit further before resigning. It's hard to say what'll happen in a handicap game.

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Post #137 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:34 am 
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[go]$$Wcm71 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O 0 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #138 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:37 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I feel sick playing like this.

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Post #139 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:40 am 
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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X 2 . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X . . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm81 Prisoner Count: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . O X X X X O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . O . X X O X X O O X X . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X O O X 3 . X X . X . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O X X X O . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . X . X X O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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