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 Post subject: Re: 131. ez4u vs Jedo
Post #61 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X 6 X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Looks like he got me here, I didn't see this sequence, and now I'm sealed in the corner in gote, something I wanted very much to avoid. What will he do with his sente?

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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X 6 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe something along these lines?

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Post #62 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:19 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Continuing... If I end in sente locally, I think I have to enter Black's framework. I can not win by mutually building territory. My current thinking is mainly around Q17.

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Post #63 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:53 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . 8 . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Actually, this seems better than what I had planned, because it makes white less solid and leaves me the monkey jump for later.

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Post #64 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:36 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
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$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Since Jedo answered today and I am off to my usual Saturday 'Go followed by drinking' schedule in a few minutes, I will go ahead with my thinking up to now. I will be well punished for my lax attitude if Black takes my idea apart! :blackeye:

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Post #65 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:09 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I really was not sure what to do here. My first instinct was to hane on either side, but the aji of that stone is annoying that this seemed like the honte. Loose plan:

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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm41 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #66 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . |
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$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Outside not in. I think Black is in danger of playing too conservatively here. The R14 stone is still not completely extinguished, so :b50: does not look really efficient.

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Post #67 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:55 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O O 2 . . |
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$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Makes sense. I wonder if my last move was too passive (it certainly looks instinctively wrong), but it looked like haneing on either side just left my shape so weak and and mangled. As for now?

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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
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$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:b54: is my way of fixing the aji of a while reducing white's moyo.

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Post #68 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:32 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O O X 4 . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #70 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:36 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . 5 . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I believe that if Black invades at N17, I can handle it with N16. We may have to find out. Otherwise I want to stretch out here hoping that play around the stone on J16 produces the opportunity to patch the gap between my two stones on the left and my center position.

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Post #71 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:53 am 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White's result here was probably too good, but time to move on. I played this move as opposed to G14, my other main consideration, because it is practically double sente; if white gets it, it seems like I need another move to reinforce that group or risk white digging out my base by pulling out that stone. This move stops that problem, and also starts to push into white's moyo.

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Post #72 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:48 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . 5 . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . 7 . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It looks like we will engage in some mutual destruction. I can not see a particularly fruitful way of answering :b56: directly. So let's prompt for a reaction on the top, and see whether we can build something that makes sense overall. If Black ignores this to play again on the right, it could get quite exciting! :rambo:

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Post #73 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:34 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 8 . . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is almost a probe to see what his intentions are. I assume he's going to cut, but perhaps he just intends to press me down and connect his groups? This was the other move I considered:

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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . 7 . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 8 . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but I couldn't fine a positive continuation for me, and if he just hanes to cut now I can always do that later. In addition, I'd like to keep the black hoshi stone strong if possible to keep his white group on the upper right weak.

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Post #74 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:56 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X 9 . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's do it! Black has various ways to answer. I expect to adapt as necessary. I am willing to give up the two left-side stones in exchange for the upper left corner, but not otherwise. :rambo:

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[go]$$Wcm51 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O 0 X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #76 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:33 am 
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not for the players
white is about to lose this game..
i am not sure what will happen...but i have a feeling that he is fighting were he has a weak stone.
black is definitly winning now.

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Post #77 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:59 am 
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 1 X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I will go with the atari here. I also considered all of the below points marked "a" through "c". I am not sure what is best. White is troubled by the gap between the two stones on the left and the rest. There are two ways for Black to proceed here. If Black descends at :b2: , I am currently thinking that :w3: is what I will try. If Black plays the atari underneath at :b4:, then :w5: breaks into the corner. Or White simply connects against the atari instead and Black has to decide between 5 and "d" on the left. :scratch:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X 1 X O b . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X d 3 a O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . c . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, Black might not answer :w1: by descending. This :b2: is also available. After :w5: connects, Black decides how to connect and we see what happens...
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X 1 5 O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . 2 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know, am I just babbling?
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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Back at school now, so rate of play may be a bit slower :D

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Post #79 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:31 pm 
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Jedo wrote:
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Back at school now, so rate of play may be a bit slower :D

No prob!

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: :b100:, :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , 3 . O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I expect :b1: below. If I connect, one of two things happen next:
Black plays :b3: to reduce the liberties on the White stones, accepting that I get the forcing plays and a better shape on the upper side, or...
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 4 1 X 6 . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X O X O . 8 O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 3 O 2 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black plays :b3: below, leaving me with four liberties instead of three. However, I have to play :w4: and have a worse shape on the top. Black "a" is a forcing play due to the threat to capture two stones, so it is easier for Black to move out with the two marked stones.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 X O X O 4 , O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X . O 2 O B B a . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

On the other hand, the atari in the corner at :w2: leads to an exchange as shown. The question is what to expect next from Black...
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 7 5 . 1 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 6 2 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 4 O 3 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , O . O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I didn't think he was going to play this line, but I don't think I have any other choice than the atari which invites the counter atari.

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 X 8 . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 4 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X , 3 7 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is clearly a totally broken shape, and although white is thin black's position looks like it has collapsed. As for now

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 4 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 5 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 8 3 6 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It looks like ko, but I have the threat of just extending and me capturing this is practically sente to kill the other white stones, so perhaps white won't play this way.

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[go]$$Wcm61 Komi: -15; Prisoners: ,
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 0 . 5 X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 9 6 X O X O . . O . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . X 8 3 7 O X X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X X O O . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O O X . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . O X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks like a mess too, but it seems like the best option available. Was my tenuki to the right side too slow?

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