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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #61 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:26 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 7 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . 2 O 6 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Feel free to reject any of this trigger. It's the most reasonable followup I'm familiar with here, but I'd be happy to learn a new one. =) I know this one gives me sente, but I still have to decide what I want to do with it, so I'll propose this first.

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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . 3 7 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . 2 O 6 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . b . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This mess will give me sente. Here are some of the followups I'm considering. 'a' gives me more thickness and saves/kills some stones, but saving those stones may be a bit small if it doesn't destabilize white sufficiently. I'll have to look into that. 'b' takes some points and threatens to cut off white's corner stones. However, it is awfully low and gives white some chance of building central influence by leaning on it. 'c' splits and threatens to invade, but I doubt I can do much against the ponnuki below, so this is just a reduction (at the cost of inducing white to fix his invasion points. The other big alternatives I'm thinking about are invading the top or building the bottom, but there are a lot of specific places I'll have to think about for those.

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Offline yithril
 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #62 Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:34 pm 
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I'll buy it :) Enjoy your sente.

If I were him I would've tried to destroy the top. This is rather a weak choice. Let's see what he does next.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #63 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:20 am 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . 8 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 4 . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He's right, I like my sente. Let's try to find a way to keep it. This is a variant of the 'b' I had considered before. However, let's try to be Shaddy. I wanted to find a variant that's severe enough that he has to react, while hopefully being able to end in sente by threatening cutting off the corner stones. Let's take Magicwand's vaunted 'flow', and try to keep a game that favors us. If white leans on this group for central power, I will jump out in the top right. I should not be feeling so good about second-line moves so early!

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Post #64 Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:36 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His move was painful. I'm going to try a risky strategy. If he cuts now it may end up being a capturing race with his group, which I think I might win, but I could lose. I don't want to just connect all my stones on dame points.

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Offline gaius
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Post #65 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 2:07 am 
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Hmmm. I'd like to see how white intends to survive this:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 8 . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 6 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O 4 . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O 7 . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I don't see what was wrong with simply making shape:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if black resists thát, he should die, no? ie:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 6 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O 4 . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O 7 . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr
Post #66 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:24 am 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 7 |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X 4 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X 5 |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O O 6 |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 1 . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 O 2 |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #67 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:27 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As discussed. Eager to read the comments on that move.

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Post #68 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:05 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I might make it through this....


Check my PM chew.

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Post #69 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:10 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Okay, so I should get to cut or jump out in the top right. Seems okay.

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Post #70 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:28 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #71 Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:33 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X 4 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trigger, if you S5:
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X 4 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #72 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:20 am 
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There is no answer to that, except cursing yourself and resigning.

Aiaiaiai, this kind of mistake costs me waaaay to many games!

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Post #73 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:47 am 
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There is no answer to that, except cursing yourself and resigning.

Aiaiaiai, this kind of mistake costs me waaaay to many games!


Actually it's not that bad... white can live in the corner:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X 4 X O X . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X 3 O O O |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . 6 2 5 . 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I agree, it's not good, the Q6 will suffer :evil:
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Post #74 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:07 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #75 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:09 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Further adventures in keeping sente through the use of minor overplays!

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Post #76 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:35 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . 7 . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Can't cut it off, as much as I'd like to.

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Post #77 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:11 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O 8 . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . 3 O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O 2 . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 5 4 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I considered a few points in the area to improve my connection. This one seems the most sente, and seems uncuttable. After this, the white group below looks like it can be made weakish. Then I try to get points in sente, then I solidify the bottom left, getting more influence and points. If I get that, I will have managed to get all of the sente things I wanted for midgame in a single sequence. The one I'm least sure of is the top left, as he may not respond, and certainly has other options for it. I may also decide, rather than playing the bottom left in gote, to invade the top middle.

I am trying to keep sente for 5ish different tenukis in midgame against a much stronger player? Good lord, such bravado! But the way to play your best is to play any game as though you are strong enough to play your opponent even (and as if they are you, if you're higher ranked). Kageyama wouldn't want me to run and hide, and so I shan't. I AM a bit curious if this top right was aji-keshi, but I'm not too worried. The white stones in the area were all independently alive, so my cutting aji really... wasn't. Instead, I'd rather negate all local white influence, and give white a (mildly) weak group. Really enjoying this game right now. Dunno if it's my overall good mood lately, or if it is (superhero pose) THE POWER OF SENTE! :batman:

edit: fixed a missing stone in the hidden diagram

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Post #78 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:55 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . 9 O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Pointless sente move? Black is doing well. This might be a 1 point margin game if I can do something cool at the bottom.

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Post #79 Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:04 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 0 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Onwards with the plan, then.

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Post #80 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:21 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . 1 . . O . . . . . . O O . X O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I understand why he did his move but to be honest the center is meaningless for me because of all his bottom stones. I have no forcing moves to make a wall facing that direction so trying to break up my blockade on the center is not worth a whole heck of a lot. This was the last big point on the board and I'm taking it!

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