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Offline YVW
 Post subject: Re: 139 - Leira 3K vs YVW 2K
Post #21 Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:56 am 
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[go]$$Wcm14
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[go]$$Wcm14
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$$ . . . . . . X . . . |[/go]

I know what he left Aji behind, but I have no idea how to use it.

I think of either:
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[go]$$Wcm14
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which is a pretty classic way of going here, but it just doesn't feel right for some reason (playing lower feels a bit better, but I don't like it either.

or (the Joseki doesn't end here, there's a 10 move limit):
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[go]$$Wcm14
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 6 . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

which will have a good result of undermining his territory (especially since he played high), but will give him the influence he wants in return. I especially like this one since it might give me a chance to use the Aji at the top right corner.
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 139 - Leira 3K vs YVW 2K
Post #22 Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:34 pm 
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I'm not 100% sure where the best spot is for :w14: , but I'm not particularly sold on there.

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[go]$$Wcm14
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My second thought is this. Right - where black has played all his stones - is still pretty open.

My first thought was to enclose top left.
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[go]$$Wcm14 I think it's more normal to approach after black takes the second wing.
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Leira
 Post subject: Re: 139 - Leira 3K vs YVW 2K
Post #23 Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm15
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't want white to settle down so quickly there.

Since I'm fairly comfortable with my position on the right side, I'll try to make it simple: make a not so weak group in the corner and thereby squeezing white a bit.

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[go]$$Wcm16
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$$ . . . . . 2 4 . |
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$$ ---------------[/go]


I think if white tries to go and play R7 or R8 it suits me better than it suits him, because it allows me to build a wall around Q9 while he barely makes life.

On the other hand, had I gone for
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[go]$$Bcm15
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$$ . . . . X T . . |
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$$ . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ . . . . , 3 . . |
$$ . . 5 . X . . . |
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$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------[/go]


I think white has now the possibility to play at the triangled point, which makes me uneasy.

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Offline YVW
 Post subject: Re: 139 - Leira 3K vs YVW 2K
Post #24 Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:04 am 
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[go]$$Wcm16
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 139 - Leira 3K vs YVW 2K
Post #25 Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm17
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #26 Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:24 am 
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[go]$$Wcm18
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


as long as he blindly follows the book I like the result of this for me. even if he gets Sente to approach the top left.
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Post #27 Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:22 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm19
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #28 Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:46 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm20
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #29 Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:21 pm 
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Just reminding you that it's your turn.
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Offline Leira
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Post #30 Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:40 pm 
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Yeah, I'm so sorry, had a very busy week. Besides I don't know what got me into thinking I had already moved :-?

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[go]$$Bcm21
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At first I though I would be going for R8, but then I didn't like the continuation (i.e. feel allows white to settle too easily)

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[go]$$Bcm21
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$$ . . . . . X 5 3 . |
$$ . . . . . 4 1 2 . |
$$ . . . . . 6 O . . |
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$$ . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . X . , O . . |
$$ . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . X X . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------[/go]



Now the exchange doesn't seem good for white at all, and I think they should omit it altogether trying to just jump outside (go directly for 26 or something similar), while I'll keep the pressure on them by playing at 27
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[go]$$Wcm22
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$$ . . . 6 . X 2 4 . |
$$ . . . . . . 1 X . |
$$ . . . 5 . . O 3 . |
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$$ . . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . X . , O . . |
$$ . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . X X . |
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[go]$$Wcm22
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm23
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I figure I'll keep the pressure on that group while I still think it's sente. Then probably F4 or something on that fashion

From move 23 and on, there are various options:
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[go]$$Wm23 Seemingly plausible continuations
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . || . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . || . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . || . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 4 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . X . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . || . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------[/go]


These ones do not seem so good for White though:
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[go]$$Wm23 White cannot afford to be cut off!!
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . || . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . || . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . || . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . X . || . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . 4 2 . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 O . O . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . || . . . . . . . . . . 9 . 7 . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . || . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . || . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------[/go]



The actual move seemed tougher than the alternative:
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[go]$$Bcm23 White plays on the circled points to escape
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . C . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . C . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . C . 2 . O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: 139 - Leira 3K vs YVW 2K
Post #33 Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:46 pm 
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In the left diagram, I believe 24 is a mistake. Black pushes from behind. If black wants to play that idea, black should play a knights move to stay ahead.

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[go]$$Wm23 Seemingly plausible continuations
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . || . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . || . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . || . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 4 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . X . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . || . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wm23 Seemingly plausible continuations
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . || . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . || . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . || . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 4 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . X . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . || . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . || . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm24
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well I already ruined this game, and I'm too tired to think, so I'll go with my instincts
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[go]$$Bcm25
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$Wcm26
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm27
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . O . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 1 X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
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Offline Leira
 Post subject: Re: 139 - Leira 3K vs YVW 2K
Post #39 Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:10 am 
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I'm very sorry, but I just have lots of things going on right now, and this one is definitely last priority.

So I'll leave it up to you, either I resign, or we just leave it there for later continuation, but I can't give any real expectation of resumption right now.

Then again, I'm sorry

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Offline YVW
 Post subject: Re: 139 - Leira 3K vs YVW 2K
Post #40 Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:10 am 
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Well I don't mind adjourning the game, but I don't see a point in you resigning. we can just close the game without a score if you want to.
Also if you'll ever want and have time for a rematch just let me know and we can either continue this one or start a new one.
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