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Offline Xyiana
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Post #141 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:52 am 
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Maybe i count bad, but for me it seems that successful invasion or left+bottom reduction is game end for white(in case of white middle influence loss)? Can someone better count this?
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Offline Tommie
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Post #142 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:02 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
i have decided to play as below..
this is not too bad. i think i will be ahead with this variation..
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O 9 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X 2 1 4 , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 3 O 6 . 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

ok.ok.. i lied. above variation looks ok but his middle influence will negate all my hard work and this is nogo.

i dicided to play other variation that might be questionable but i believe the only way to dig out of this situation.
a and b exchange before 4 in the middle may be better but i will have to think about that one.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X b 3 X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . a O X 5 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 4 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this variation looks better than previous...

any question? comment? concerns? from observers???
i see that much discussion going on and kinda curious...


MW's last variant seems plain wrong to me (dogmatic judgement made in a second).
Two successive moves :w2: , :w4: appear as pure aji-keshi, while :w6: is exercising the famous 'toothbpaste'-technique. :study:
:w4: is together with another stone already in 50% of the hane-on-the-head-of^-2-stones formation, which is not good.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X Y 3 X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . a O X 5 1 # , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . # X 4 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black :b7: next at B = C, # = D or Y = B and nothing serious could happen IMO.

Well, when all three are played, it looks indeed strong :lol:

Nevertheless, I watched very few games and posts on 19x19 during the last 2 years,
and always enjoyed MagicWand's boldness, assertiveness and positive self-stimulation ( YES, Me can :-) )

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Last edited by Tommie on Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Post #143 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:12 am 
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About a week ago Joaz Banbeck wrote:
MW... is leaving his lower right group to fend for itself.
If we assume that the developing fight in the upper right is going to roll southward, all Araban has to do is play M3 at the right time, and MW could have problems.


Araban is smart enough not to let MW build the wall facing southward. Indeed, I think that Aarban will be looking to construct his own wall looking southward.


@Araban:
Are you eventually planning to attack his P4 group? And will you be striving for central influence to do that?


@MW:
Some of the comments say that you may be in trouble because you are not planning ahead, and that a wait-and-see strategy is dangerous against a player of Araban's strength. Do you agree? Do you wish that you had read out more in the past 10 moves?

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Post #144 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:21 am 
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to Joaz:
game of go should flow like a water.
sometimes i dont know what the end is...but i have to go that path..
i knew that his cut will give me a problem but i had to go that path because of ....(i can not explain in words)
maybe i should selected other variations..but ...i think i would have played same if i had same position in future.

it seems that you think i am in a trouble..but i dont think that.
i lost my lead but it is anybody's game.
and the game of go is not simple as "white good black bad" it is more like "white seems better but black seems ok too"
you will see that flow will reverse soon as i take care of this situation.

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Post #145 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:14 am 
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after looking at this position for 30 min...i finally arrived at optimal solution.
i am still comfortably ahead and i dont see any way for my opponent to avoid the variation i have in mind...
i will post my thought two moves after my opponents move.

if you are curious to know and can not wait..i will pm you the variation.

now i can sleep easy :)

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Post #146 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:52 pm 
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this is why i hate variation on unpredictable future.
i drew all my variation assuming he will play next move as i predicted..
for all i know he might not play that move..but most likely he will.
anyway...

if he plays next move..this is my plan.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . 5 7 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X 4 3 X O. . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 O X 8 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X 2 O 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O X O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #147 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:17 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
if he plays next move..this is my plan.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . 5 7 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X 4 3 X O. . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 O X 8 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X 2 O 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O X O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


A white stone is misplaced in the first diagram:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . 5 7 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X 4 3 X . W . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 O X 8 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Tommie
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Post #148 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:06 pm 
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Neither for Magicwand nor Araban for the next couple of moves in this area.

Magicwand wrote:
this is why i hate variation on unpredictable future.
i drew all my variation assuming he will play next move as i predicted..
for all i know he might not play that move..but most likely he will.
anyway...

if he plays next move..this is my plan.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . 5 7 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X 4 3 X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 O X 8 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . X X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X 2 O 3 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O X O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What about this :b7: ? :scratch:
The 3-stone group around :w8: would be doomed.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . 5 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X 4 3 X 7 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X P P . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 O X 8 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 9 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


resp.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X j . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . i h X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X p k O g f O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . q 5 0 . e . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X 4 3 X 7 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 O X . 1 9 , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems :b7: cannot be captured after cut W10.

However, for a short moment it looks as if :b7: could not be captured in snapback (WF, BG H- atari I, because black K is double atariJ),.
BUT if Black is not willing to surrender :b5: after atari P (after white P, black can no longer play into space K), then this won't neither work nor be sufficient for Black.


Hence, I suggest:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O r w O x y . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . 5 0 . e s t X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X 4 3 X 7 O v X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X O O 8 u . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 O X 9 1 . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Taking a liberty with :b9: - usually not looking nice - might still be more efficient.
Black is sure to capture (avoiding bad aji) and the middle stones would have more freedom in the center.

Probably White would play :w8: here for shape, but is it effective?

:w2: :w4: :w6: "stand for Joker" (<- perhaps only a Dutch expression?)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . 5 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X 4 3 X 7 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X P P . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 6 O X . 1 8 , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Conclusion: Black seems safe.
___________________________________________________________________________________________
EDIT:

Intrigued by the cluster of stones, I had to think about alternative sequences.

Instead of atari P on :b5: above, this white is also feasible, but weaker IMO:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X j . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . i 2 X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X p k O g f O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . q B 0 . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X B O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O X . B B , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



It reverts to a sequence like this:

The avoided snapback costs B on the top and is good for the middle:
Black cannot connect atari T, wU, bV (which wouldn't yet simultaneously kill the upper W group), w snapback F,
BUT sequence modification bT, wU, bF wins for Black, as the snapback is gone and w and Q are both necessary for White. (bT, wU, X, K, Q also works for Black)
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . Z . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . Z . Z t v O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O Z . x u 4 X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . Z 2 k O 3 f O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . q B 0 . 1 w . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X B O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O X . B B , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Black would be connected:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . Y . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . Y . Y j m O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O Y . . 5 h X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . Y 2 k O 3 f O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . 4 B 0 . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O X X B O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . O O X . B B , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not sure whether :b5: or M+ :b5: , or whether M is aji-keshi kikashi.

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 Post subject: Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Post #149 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:02 pm 
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re: Neither for Magicwand nor Araban for the next couple of moves in this area.
after many many hidden replay i uploaded for next moves....and the remark up there by tommy.

i am pretty sure it will drive Araban crazy :) . this is very complicated and game deciding fight for both of us.

and i am adding another post saying "re: Neither for Magicwand nor Araban for the next couple of moves in this area."

i am curious too but..either it work or not work. i dont see any other way out for black but follow my variation.

if it wasnt for the turnbased game having much time to think about your move..i wouldnt have found that variation.

or
yea..why not another hidden tag..
as result
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Post #150 Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:35 am 
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re: Neither for Magicwand nor Araban for the next couple of moves in this area.
after many many hidden replay i uploaded for next moves....and the remark up there by tommy.

i am pretty sure it will drive Araban crazy :) . this is very complicated and game deciding fight for both of us.

and i am adding another post saying "re: Neither for Magicwand nor Araban for the next couple of moves in this area."

i am curious too but..either it work or not work. i dont see any other way out for black but follow my variation.

if it wasnt for the turnbased game having much time to think about your move..i wouldnt have found that variation.

or
yea..why not another hidden tag..
as result
thank you tommie and everyone else
for observing my game.


Naturally, as it's Araban's turn, I have to hide comments from him.
Magicwand, as the [ quote ] command repeats the "Magicwand wrote:", it might resemble a direct reply to you and an ivitation to read.
Then it might look as if wished to exclude only Araban from my comment for the moment, hence, I did as I did and wrote explicitly.

Anyway, my comment may be plain wrong as I err & overlook a lot lately.

And, yes, I do enjoy watching your bold moves, yet was quite absent from L19 and Go in general for about 2 years.

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Post #151 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:44 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

L10 is a bit annoying; because I can't eat it via ladder, I have to try and nullify it with this move. He can, of course, try to save it but I want to make that as painful as possible if he wants to go that route.
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Post #152 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X 0 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

wow.. i did all that thinking for no reason..
that is why i hate thinking until opponent makes his move..

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Post #153 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:15 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm60 White sente?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 2 . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


My first thought was this, but it is far too thin, with eg. the peep 'a'.
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[go]$$Wcm60 White sente?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . a , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I vote White... P8.

Oops, and I have been sniped by Magicwand himself. Less emphasis on the right, hmmm.
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[go]$$Wcm60
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . a 2 X 1 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b c . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I feel like :b61: is the move. If a, white has b 61 c sometime.


@Magicwand
Why 60 and not another similar move? (eg. I thought you might play p8.)

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Post #154 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:49 pm 
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since someone requested my expectation on my opponent's move on every move...
after that i have no idea where he will play..
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Post #155 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:56 pm 
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hum...
i am not sure if your move is better or my move is better.
but...
your move appears to be weaker move of two. i am not saying that it is...but appears to be. (feeling)
i am not worried about his points on the right at all.
i have enough points myself..
all i want out of this is...a simplicity.
i think i am lucky that he backed down and not attack me when he had a chance.
for that he will not get any points in the middle. that is good enough for me to keep my lead.
i will connect and connect..he will have to jump in my influence sometime to make it a game.
if i am down..i do not miss that chance to attack. he did.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #156 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:09 pm 
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Weird, MW's 61 was the 61 that came to me instantly, but it's a move I'd have to think hard about before actually playing...

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Post #157 Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:15 am 
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now i think of this position...my move was wrong
below should be correct. i try to save one stone moving aji...that was greddy.
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 2 X 3 O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Solomon
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Post #158 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:51 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 1 X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was really tempted to play this:
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[go]$$Bc Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . a . X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . W . W X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . W X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, I think it's a bit of an overplay because if White escapes his stone with 'a', then I end up with 3 stones just chilling...the marked White stones will make the journey of escape somewhat painful as well. So I decided to just play simple and safe.
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Post #159 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

he still have to play one more move in the middle to remove aji.. :)
i know that it is a net... but if i push as below..my thickness will multiply...which means more points..
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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: :b3: = tuniki
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 1 X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #160 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:24 pm 
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I hope you had a great Thanksgiving Magicwand!

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[go]$$Bcm61 Prisoners: white 2 black 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O . . O . X . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O X . . . . X X . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . O . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . O . . . . . , . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can't give him the entire left side. Seeing how the dust has settled at the top/center, I feel it's time for me to play the big move.
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