jts wrote:
dohduhdah wrote:
If the 30k problem is so easy, how come even dan players can't answer confidently what the correct answer should be?
Well, look... if you have fun doing this thing where you revel in unintentional features of "repeat-after-me" 30k-rated problems, I have no problem with that. Fun is fun. But I will answer your question because I am gullible.
The answer to a puzzle depends on what question the puzzle is asking. You can take the same basic phenomenon and turn it around to look at it from multiple aspects, and then use those aspects to ask completely different questions about the phenomenon. For example, you could look at an arrangement of stones and ask "What's the count, locally?" Or you could ask "How many ko threats does White have?", or "How many points is the next move in this area worth?" or "What's the status of these groups?" There's no particular reason to expect two puzzles which are created by looking at the same stones in two different ways to be equally difficult. Likewise, there's no reason to expect that stones which are set up to give one puzzle a single unique answer will also provide a single unique answer to any puzzle which you might choose to pose about them.
So if you take a 30k problem which is designed to have an answer to the puzzle "How do you capture stones in this game?" and instead ask "Which of these two captures is better," there's not necessarily a correct answer. If you take a 10k problem which is designed to have an answer to the puzzle "How can black kill the white group?" and instead ask "How can white use the aji of the dead group?", there's not necessarily a correct answer. If you want more subtle puzzles, you need to find problems that were designed to be more challenging. But if you're having fun finding subtleties in easier puzzles, that's awesome too.
But how can you try to teach beginners something if you're not even sure what you're asking them?
A beginner sees the puzzle, might notice there are two ways to capture and wonder which of the two is best or whether both are equally good.
If the puzzle only accepts one of the two ways to capture as a solution, the beginner might assume that
means one of the two ways to capture is better than the other. But this is an assumption and unless you actually see a clear reason why one of the two ways to capture is better, you are left wondering why sometimes a solution is accepted and sometimes a potential solution is rejected and whether or not this signifies something that merits attention or whether the creator of the tsumego simply overlooked the alternative method or erroneously picked the inferior solution as the answer.
So if the purpose of the exercise is simply to teach beginners about methods to capture, all methods to capture should be accepted. If the purpose of the exercise is to teach beginners to try and look for more optimal ways to do something as opposed to inferior ways to achieve the same goal, you'd expect that the beginner should at least be able to verify for himself what the optimal and what the inferior way is, so that he might learn to recognize
the optimal way in situations that also involve inferior ways.
I don't care about the level of tsumego. All I care about if I can understand them and if I can't if that might be because there could be an error in the tsumego. I solve tsumego for beginners as well as tsumego that are more difficult, but when I seek to master a batch of exercises it seems to make sense to start with the most simple ones and work my way up towards the more complicated ones.
I'm not going over exercises I understand over and over again because obviously that wouldn't help me improve and would just be a waste of time, but I have no problems going through a large collection of tsumego that includes tsumego that are extremely simple to spot and mark the ones that somehow mystify me. So I bring that up on this forum and lo and behold, for some of those tsumego even dan players can't really confidently say if there is an answer that is to be preferred because it's optimal or whether all potential answers are equally valid.