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 Post subject: Tsumego question
Post #1 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:10 pm 
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In 1001 tsumego problems, I couldn't solve problem 780:

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$$ | X . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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The solution given is this:

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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 3 2 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . 4 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I can't figure out (even using a goban) how black should respond to :w2: in this diagram:

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[go]$$c ack
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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 2 . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thanks for your help!

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 Post subject: Re: Tsumego question
Post #2 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:31 pm 
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seki?

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 2 3 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Tsumego question
Post #3 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:34 pm 
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Oh I missed that white can't kill if black doesn't respond. Thanks!

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 Post subject: Re: Tsumego question
Post #4 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:13 am 
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emeraldemon wrote:
seki?

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 2 3 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Don't forget White at A5 else:

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[go]$$Bc Black lives
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$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X 1 X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In terms of Ko-Threats, I like this one:

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | 6 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X . 1 O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O 2 3 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 5 . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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