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Offline zinger
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #81 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:23 am 
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$$ | . . O O X X 1 . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O . . . . X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X X X . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Probably I will lose the D16 stones soon and resign.

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Offline Solomon
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #82 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:32 am 
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X 2 4 6 . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O 1 3 5 . X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X X X . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . X X X X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The sequence I was talking about in the last video; 1 - 6 is inevitable if he wants to save the top stones, 7 is the geta I'm (pretty) sure works clean. Variations to come in the next video depending on his response.
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Offline Solomon
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #83 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:30 am 
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Hmm...maybe I should have left out 7 and played up to 5 instead, seems like it gives away too much information. What if my opponent didn't read out 7 for instance and assumed the group would live up to 6?

But I also feel that it's just more truthful this way. And since the point of a Malkovich game is to learn and teach rather than to win (that's not to say I've been pulling back punches), I felt it was more appropriate this way. And of course, there's also the possibility that 7 is just a donk net and I misread.

So, in a nutshell, I'm very divided on this issue.
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #84 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:40 am 
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To Araban:

Araban wrote:
Hmm...maybe I should have left out 7 and played up to 5 instead, seems like it gives away too much information. What if my opponent didn't read out 7 for instance and assumed the group would live up to 6?

But I also feel that it's just more truthful this way. And since the point of a Malkovich game is to learn and teach rather than to win (that's not to say I've been pulling back punches), I felt it was more appropriate this way. And of course, there's also the possibility that 7 is just a donk net and I misread.

So, in a nutshell, I'm very divided on this issue.


I know the feeling well, and it's why I never tend to trigger my tenuki (a point I made in my current Malkovich game about numsgil's trigger). However, I also agree that that's part of the point of Malkovich games to learn. It's the reason why I want my next Malkovich game to be a completely open Malkovich game against whoever wants to play.
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Offline zinger
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #85 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:04 am 
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I assume Solomon has read this out and my stones are dead. Which would force me to resign. But there's no harm in doing a little reading of my own first, even if it's only an exercise. So I will think about it for a little while.

Stay tuned ..

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Offline zinger
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Post #86 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:23 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O O . X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X X X . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . 1 . . . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . X X X X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


hahah, nothing to lose at this point.

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Offline Solomon
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #87 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:28 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O O . X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X X X . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O W X . . . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I promise I'll add a video here later, but I'm in a library cramming for an exam in 60 minutes. I read out this move though (hopefully).
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Offline zinger
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #88 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:33 am 
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[go]$$c
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O O . X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X X X 1 . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X . . . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


ho hum last chance

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Offline Solomon
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #89 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:40 am 
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O O . X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X X X X . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O X W . . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just wrapping it up now, I'll just make one big video at the end if Black resigns here since now I'm certain the group is dead unless I made a gigantic misread (I've had my moments of hallucination). If Black doesn't resign, then the game is very comfortable for me.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O O . X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X X X X . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O b O O X O . . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . c . a O a . . . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If Black plays at either 'a', then I connect at 'b'. If Black plays 'b', then I block at 'c'.
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[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X X X X X X . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X O O O O O O . X X O O O . . . |
$$ | . O . X X X X 7 9 0 . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 O O X O 8 . . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 4 3 O 5 . . . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline zinger
 Post subject: Re: Araban vs. zinger : Malkovich #22
Post #90 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:20 am 
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I resign. My plot to escape by first cutting at 2-2 doesn't work due snapback.

Well done Solomon :)

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Offline Kirby
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Post #91 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 9:29 am 
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This was a fun game to watch. The 2-2 idea is interesting, even if it doesn't work. I didn't consider it.

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Offline Solomon
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Post #92 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:28 am 
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Thanks for the game zinger, I learned a lot :).
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