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Post #161 Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm114 Move 114 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Once more into the breach, dear friends ... and this one is for the game hopefully. There are so many ways this can go complicated, and none of them look "bad" for White - it's time to break up his double extension, and to do it hard. So, why here? Because of my tactical analysis :D


Tactics and Variations

These were the positions I'd considered:

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[go]$$Wcm114 Move 114 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . x x . . . . c . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . a b d . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Firstly, they're all on the left side of the corner because "x" marks his weak group. Either he's going to play to look after it and give me a fat corner, or he's going to run risks with it by trying to hold the corner. Either way, this is tricksy for him. So, "a":

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[go]$$Wcm114 Move 114 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . a . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't really like anything here for White. "a" is probably fine for Black, but he can simply play "b" and make a big corner and make me worried and running out with my stone. It just feels bad to be forced to do this when I'm supposed to be being all initiative-holding. "B":

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[go]$$Wcm114 Move 114 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trying to take the top side in a big way. It's not too bad (better than the last line I think) but it's rather putting all my eggs in one basket and guaranteeing Black a good corner. "C":

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[go]$$Wcm114 Move 114 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . 4 1 3 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This just feels too squished into the corner, and Black's outside position feels really nice. It's my first choice normally, but here I think Black has a really genuine weak group at the top edge. As such, I think the contact point at the original "D" (4 main options) is better. It's weaker, but at the same time more flexible, and I can benefit a lot more from sacrificing something in a fight if I can build an attack on that weak group.

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Post #162 Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 5:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm115 Move 115 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
Probe. Basically I need to decide what I want to give white and what I want to defend.


Tactics and Variations
This way white can form a ko for life in the corner.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 1 O 2 . 8 |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X 3 4 7 |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way leads to complicated capture races in the corner. Not something I'd feel confident winning given the fight in the top left.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 1 O 4 . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . 2 X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is more passive. I build up solid corner + right side territory. But white starts to build up strength to attack the three stones at the top and is well into a solid moyo for center territory.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 2 O 1 . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . 4 X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way white steals much of the corner territory and top territory. But I have some thickness towards the center I can use to disrupt the white moyo that's forming.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 0 . 8 4 6 . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 7 O 1 5 . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . 9 X 2 3 . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Given all these possibilities, I like a hane on the inside better then a hane on the outside.

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Post #163 Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:37 am 
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[go]$$Wcm116 Move 116 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Prioritising the center and top side over the corner. I kinda hoped he'd go this way I think.

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Post #164 Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 10:08 am 
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[go]$$Bcm117 Move 117 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 1 O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
Seems good for black

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . 3 2 6 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 1 O X 7 . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 4 . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still seems good for black.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 3 1 O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 5 . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 4 6 7 . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . 8 X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like this is the only one that feels questionable. But I still think it's good for black. Though I can revert to the above line fairly easily if I do 3 at 4.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 1 O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 4 . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 2 5 . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Numsgil wrote:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . 3 2 6 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 1 O X 7 . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 4 . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . 7 5 . . b . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . 3 2 X O O a . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 4 1 X O X X . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 6 O X O 9 . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . 8 X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think Numsgil has seen this tesuji before. :P

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[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Must stay consistent with the big plan... If I wanted the corner, I should have crosscut.


Tactics and Variations

Normally extending is correct, but there's the following:

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[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . 2 1 5 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . a X O X 6 . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 3 . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm certain "a" is supposed to work in some situations, but I can't quite remember how, and if I play it out, get it wrong (or find that this is a situation where it doesn't work!) I lose out badly.

If extends, so will I, if he captures, I'm going to connect solidly, aiming at the following:

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[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 3 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: No, I'm not, that's silly. If I was going to let him connect, why play the corner probe in the first place. I don't like playing for the ko because he can cut instead of fight a ko, but how about:

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[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . a . 2 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 3 1 X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's that or "a" probably. I should have gone for the corner :(

Bleh, that's a nonsense move too, it doesn't work. I'm going to ko it.

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What if black plays 6 instead of 2?

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Further thoughts:

I'm such a numpty. The next move should be the key point, and the whole purpose of playing on this side in the first place:

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[go]$$Wcm118 Move 118 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . a . 2 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . c . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . b . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now I may be able to rescue those stones to kill the top edge with "a", or if Black plays to stay safe, I can get "b" instead. If I manage to get "c" as well, I've made another 50 or so points in the middle. That gives me about 130 points, so as long as I can keep Black below 60, I'll be fine. When this middle fuseki-ish-thing has finished playing out, I'll count.

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What if black plays 6 instead of 2?


Here's my reading:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . 7 3 . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . 5 4 X O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 6 1 X O X X . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 2 O X O 9 . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . a X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


8 at 1. (6 at 'a' is the same.)

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . b 3 a . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 5 X O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 1 X O X X . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 2 O X O 6 . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . 4 X . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems better for black, but probably white is still okay (at least white can live: 7 takes, and then white has an eye at 'a' and miai for an eye at P18 and at 'b').


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Right, thanks =D. The second diagram is what I was trying to read out in my head, but you're right, white seems to be okay. Regardless, living on the side or corner isn't topazg's intent, so it's moot. Still, practice reading for us.

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[go]$$Bcm119 Move 119 - W: 0, B: 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
I either extend or take the stone in atari. The second diagram feels more favorable, but I think taking the atari is proper-er. But I was really 51%/49% on this.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 7 . 1 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X O X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X 3 . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . 6 . 2 4 5 . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 9 1 6 4 . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X 0 O X O X 5 . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . 7 O X 2 . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . . . . 8 3 . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm120 Move 120 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've swapped around the prisoner counts because they were confusing me (I think the other Malkovich games had the number as the number of prisoners that side has managed to capture, not had captured - that way it can be easily just viewed as "bonus points for that colour" I guess)

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Ok, let's get this plan on the road - I'm thinking I'll probably take "c" instead of "b" first on my last analysis if Black tries to connect underneath.

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Post #173 Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 2:32 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm121 Move 121 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 1 . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Score and Counting
So making up some borders, and counting the top left as equal to komi, white's central moyo is worth about 35 points.

My right side is worth 28 points. Bottom left is worth 11. White's bottom is worth 8. I'm not counting the top for either side since it's not really resolved yet. And counting the center black stones as mostly dead.

So given these boundaries, white wins by 4 points (give or take). That doesn't count getting raped in the end game, of course. So these boundaries are not something I want to aim for.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O w w . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . w . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . w . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . w . . . . . . b b |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , w . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . w X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . w w w . . . w . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X b b . . X O X O O X X X X . . b |
$$ | b b . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . . w . . w . . b . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts
So these are the points which I considered.

'a' aims to split the white stones on the left from the white stones on the right. Really a key weakness of this white shape.
'b' looks to solidly connect to the black stones on the top.

'c' destroys any white territory on the side. But I don't think that's an issue anyway. So probably not a necessary move at this point in the game.
'd' expands my territory while cramping any hope white has of making territory on the side. It does everything 'c' does and more.
'e' attempts to force white into a family feud. But if the group doesn't escape very well it just becomes heavy.

'f' tries to break in to white's moyo a bit, but it isn't doing so from a position that is all that strong to begin with.

Of these, 'a', 'd', and 'e' are the only ones I think merit further inspection.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . b . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . f . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . d . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X e . c . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
Maybe something like this? Still good for black, I think.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . 1 5 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . 4 3 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 2 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay, but not as good as the one above (less big move).
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O 3 1 4 . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X 2 . 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My weakness in the corner prevents me from really capitalizing on this one.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . b . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . f . O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . 4 . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O 8 O 5 O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O 7 6 O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So 'a' seems like the best move.

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Post #175 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:40 am 
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So much to think about.... I'll be looking at this in detail later. The game feels close but there are some crazy decisions to make. Do I try to save the 2 stones and kill the whole top edge? Do I deliberately sacrifice them for the enlargement of my moyo? Do I tenuki entirely for those other big points on the board? Will have to do a score count for each I think.

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Post #176 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:51 am 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 8 . 6 . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . 5 4 1 2 . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . a . 3 X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the game sequence. I agree with daniel_the_smith and feel that white unnecessarily gave away all the aji in the corner just to play :w7: in sente. I would recommend :b8: as shown over a; it is honte and makes the corner absolutely secure.

I say that :w5: must extend at :b6:. While prokofiev's proposal may be slightly better for black, I still prefer white to extend rather than counter atari.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . . 2 . . . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white's intention is to play :w1: in sente, white could have played it directly. It's pretty much sente anyway, because there isn't many big areas remaining on the board.

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Post #177 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:18 am 
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[go]$$Wcm122 Move 122 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Strategy and Thoughts

Nope, it's all yucky. Fortunately, there's lots of aji left, and I think if I can secure this middle with the followups I mentioned, the game's about even with plenty of endgame left. So, accepting I royally messed up the corner, I must make sure I don't mess it up further. If there's a good opportunity to do something with those stones, I will.


Tactics and Variations

Lots of potential fun:

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[go]$$Wcm122 Move 122 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . 6 4 7 8 . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . 3 X 9 O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , 5 . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O 1 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . a . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . b . . |
$$ | . X O O . c . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O d . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


129 at 130 instead works for Black, so I'll be playing 128 somewhere else, probably at "a", "b", or "c". If "d" is a threat to kill the corner, I'll probably play that then "a", otherwise I'll probably just play "a".

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[go]$$Bcm123 Move 123 - W: 2, B: 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tactics and Variations
Two choices. The second one looks better, though.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . 4 . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 2 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 3 1 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 3 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 5 4 . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #179 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:21 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm124 Move 124 - W: 2, B: 1
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$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . 1 X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Getting my sente reduction / shape fixing over here first, before pushing over the top as planned:

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[go]$$Wcm124 Move 124 - W: 2, B: 1
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$$ | . O O X O X O O . 4 2 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . 1 X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , 3 . X . O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O X 6 . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . 5 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . 7 . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #180 Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm123 Move 123 - W: 2, B: 1
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$$ | . O X . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X O X O O . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X O X X . . X . O X . X . . |
$$ | . O O X X O . O . , . . X 1 O X . . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . O . . . O O a . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . O . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | O X O X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | X O O . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . O X . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X X X X O . . O X X . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X O O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . O O X O X O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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