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Offline walpurgis
 Post subject: Seeking general advice
Post #1 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:33 pm 
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Hey folks. Up until now I've been studying go just by myself (with the help of these forums, among other places :bow:), so I thought it's high time to use stronger players' advice to point out my weaknesses.

I haven't read many books and my knowledge about joseki etc. is quite limited. So I'm mostly looking for general advice if there's something in my playing style I should fix asap.

So, here's a recent game I played (and lost) on KGS, any comments will be helpful.




A couple of observations on my own:

Move 7: I don't quite like my response. Is there something more advisable?
Move 11: C10 maybe better?
Move 57: Surely this is not very good?


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Offline Numsgil
 Post subject: Re: Seeking general advice
Post #2 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:31 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is the first move I'd characterize as anything approaching a proper mistake. I could try to explain it, but I'd probably just be paraphrasing anyway. Bantari has a good article on why this is bad (or at least not super fantastic. It's less bad and more aji-keshi).


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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I'd prefer something like this (though there might be better ways to attack that take away the base first).

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . 2 . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Point is, your ponnuki isn't weak (if it was this wouldn't be joseki), so you're aiming to attack white's two stones on the side, and that means not actually directly approaching/touching them.

The bottom still has aji from this sort of thing:

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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X 1 a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


It doesn't work quite yet, but it's not that far off from working. So white is limited in how aggressively he can play, and when you take a liberty away with 1 it's a big deal. That's also why white is well advised to not try the hane at 'a'. It doesn't really fix up the aji.


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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . a 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


'a' would be better. This move leaves white with peeps all over. If you solidly connect, white has fewer peeps. The cut doesn't work because you have a net.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . X . O . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . 5 . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . O . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline daal
 Post subject: Re: Seeking general advice
Post #3 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:30 am 
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76 and 78 both look like slack attempts to surround center territory while encouraging your opponent to strengthen his side territory. Not a promising strategy.

Also, 11 at F3 would work better with your stones and maintain black's advantage - you have an enclosed corner; he doesn't. C14 by contrast looks jealous.

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Offline OtakuViking
 Post subject: Re: Seeking general advice
Post #4 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 4:21 am 
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Take everything with a grain of salt because I am just a lowly kyu player myself and I'm sure some of my variations are wrong:)



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Offline walpurgis
 Post subject: Re: Seeking general advice
Post #5 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:15 am 
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Thanks for commenting. Now let me take my time going through them in depth...
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #6 Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:03 pm 
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