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 Post subject: Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Post #61 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I am very hesitant in deciding whether or not to sell the aji here (this will remove possibilities of, say, "a" as below), but I think it's big enough to be worth it?

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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #62 Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:20 am 
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I forgot the charging cable for my laptop at my work as student assistant. Since it's Friday I have weekend without much laptop time in front of me. Therefore I might be unable to post much moves.

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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sorry, no long explanation this time for the reasons mentionet at the top of this post. I just hope to reduce him in sente here.

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Post #63 Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:18 pm 
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Don't worry about it - no rush at all :)

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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered "a" below, but realized that white has a connection at "b" -.-

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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . a . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #64 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:19 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . 8 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still doing my best to steal his points

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Post #65 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Given that the white group is not really in danger, the last two moves feels a bit aji-keshi. Now black doesn't have many weaknesses locally.

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Post #66 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:58 pm 
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black seems to be satisfied with what happened.
i think below is what should happen.
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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . 6 5 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #67 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm41 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 0 X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I have to link up my stones now, because I fear his groub is stable enough to cut where I played now. I don't thnk he'll protect his territory now because it doesn't seem to be that big and he gets an ugly empty triangle. Linking up while reducing his territory here a little bit was my idea here. Some better explanation will come at Monday I hope.

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Post #68 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:13 am 
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Can white aim to make points in the centre-right somehow? I don't really like the game :w50: much anyway; the two stones were forcing moves, and 'a' remains..
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[go]$$Wc illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 7 . . . . O . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . 1 . 3 O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X 2 4 X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Had a little bit to drink, thoughts may be farcical and worth ignoring
Now should probably also be asleep:
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[go]$$Wcm50 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . # . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . # . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . # . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . # . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 1 . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Working with the idea that the squared group is weak, I'd like to play this 50 and pretend to attack (alternately: attack) the circled stone before perhaps trying my other sequence: Problem is, maybe not forcing enough. Revisiting the left seems kind of desirable.

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Post #69 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:09 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had a lot of trouble deciding whether or not to tenuki. But I think the block will be double gote (if white did not exchange the last few moves, then the block will probably have been annoying to ignore), and even though it's about 20 points it's just yose. I've been a bit worried about this for a while now, so would like to make this part territory. The last thing I'm worried about is a wedge between my 1 point jumps on top, but after I take gote from this sequence white will probably block on the right side and I can decide if the the wedge is a big issue (I always have a lot of trouble with those cuts - when I try them they fail miserable, when my opponents try them they work spectacularly :p).

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Post #70 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:45 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


First a little bit about my last moves: I have already realized that illuck really likes the 3rd line, but I think he was wrong this time. I would have prepared this for B:

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It might be that he can't attack my territoy at the side as good as he can now, but I don't see a good way to link up my groupes here and I don't get the reduction I got in the game. Let's look at the current situation. I think I can't tennuki which leaves me with two options:

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O 2 4 . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 1 X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . X . . . a X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I prefer Dia. 3 because something in the area around 'a' might be better without the solid wall he gets at Dia.2. Besides Dia. 3 is better for the endgame

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Post #71 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:13 am 
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Besides Dia. 3 is better for the endgame


No it isn't.

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Post #72 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:37 am 
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Celebrir wrote:

Besides Dia. 3 is better for the endgame


No it isn't.


Whhops :oops: Correct, somehow I forgot that black shouldn't play the hane at Dia.2 :-? What I had in mind while writing was this:
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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 2b
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O 2 a . . . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 1 X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But I think :b4: at 'a' would be better in this game and I still prefer Dia.3

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Post #73 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:56 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 3 . , . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #74 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:48 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . 4 O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not sure whether I should be happy with his last move or not. It's not as ative a my idea, but it's a good defense against something around 'a' Now my idea is to give him strongness were he wants force him into an overconcentrated form. While I do this I want to build up some territory in the middle. Her is a possible sequence:
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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . 1 O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . a X . 2 X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Of course he has some reduction moves, but I'll look for an opening if he reduces. Until now this game was very peaceful, but I feel the position is not the best. So I'll look for a position to complicate things but I won't rush things where I see no way to win the fight. Maybe one can see this sequence as an invitation to make a dangerous move.

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Post #75 Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:22 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . 5 X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Feels a bit aji-keshi. I was a bit worried about weaknesses in my shape at bottom, but not any more. I guess white is trying to make something out of N8 area, but I think better to just play the other side directly as this cover will be sente regardless.

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Post #76 Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:16 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


While thinking about it I found a move which looks even more intresting than the keima:
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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . b . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 a . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This can become far more complicate than 'a' and is qwuite risky with the strong white group at the bottom. But I feel behind and therefore I guess I have to complicate the game. 'b' was a other move I thought about but I have a hope that a big fight might start which allows me to attack :bc: 'b' seems to calm. Some variations:

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 9 4 . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 3 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , 7 5 6 O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X 8 X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This cut looks intresting for me. I don't know who would win this fight but it might become good for me.

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia. 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . 4 3 . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 5 . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 9 8 2 . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If B tries something like this as a calm reduction I'll still try to attack.

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Post #77 Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:14 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 7 O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White's last move feels a bit overplay-ish, but I can't find a sequence that punishes without putting myself in danger (the J3 and K3 are annoying points). I feel like I'm slightly ahead, so don't want to go too crazy (e.g. M7). I would be happy if I solidify in sente here.

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Post #78 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:46 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 8 . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think my only option here is the hane. All other shapes look bad to me and I see no reason to not play it:

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 3 . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . 2 . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he plays calm I get more thickness which is exactly what I want. If he cuts I have two options:

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 7 4 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 5 1 2 . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O 3 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this fight would be good for me. My stones at the left still help me and his bottom becomes a little bit weaker.

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . 7 8 . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 9 . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 5 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 1 2 4 . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O 6 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , . . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not sure about the exact variation, but the aim here is to prepare an attack at the top group. I'll think more about it when he really cuts.

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Post #79 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , 9 . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I want to solidify bottom while leaving some way to go inside later. I end in bad shape when white plays atari, but I feel like the better local result if white plays tenuki is worth it.

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Post #80 Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:15 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O 0 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Again he denies to fight. However, I think I can satisfie with this because I get thickness where I had nothing while he only makes his already strong bottom stronger. Here are some continuations I thought about:

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O 1 3 . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O 2 4 . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X a . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sadly the cut at 'a' doesn't work and I have to play the shown sequence, which looks really bad for me.

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 X O 2 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . 3 X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . 4 X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This looks better because I get a ponnuki but :b2: is in this sequence, too. I'm not sure about this but again, I think :b2: hurts to much. Of course, if he plays :b2: at :w3: I could play at :b2: myself, but I'm unsure whether he would allow it.

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X . . . . . , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . c . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O 3 . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a X O 1 . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . b X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I guess I should play again with the proverb, that the good move of your opponent is your good move. This way he can peep at :b2: but I don't think that would hurt very much. Besides he still have the atari at 'a' and if he defends at 'b' 'c' looks good for me.

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