First board and stones

msgreg · **#21**

Ginger wrote:

schwartzseer wrote:

Sorry to go on like this--thanks for your time and attention, and I hope something I've said is actually helpful!! ;-)

Its all very helpful, thanks for taking the time to write it.

tchan001 wrote:

Since you seem to be in the UK, perhaps you might want to check the list of UK retailers listed on the British Go Association site.

I did look at http://www.pentanglepuzzles.co.uk/index.html but they seamed expensive.

Thanks for all the new replies, waiting on YMI for shipping costs.

Andrew

The post here viewtopic.php?p=90853#p90853 links to three different UK vendors. I would expect shipping from the states to be £40-50 (it's £45 the other way!) I'm not sure how VAT works (do you have to pay VAT on imports?). Bizarre that you might be importing from US to UK while I'm doing the opposite :-)

from The Trading Centre.

Ginger · **#22**

[quote="msgre]
The post here viewtopic.php?p=90853#p90853 links to three different UK vendors. I would expect shipping from the states to be £40-50 (it's £45 the other way!) I'm not sure how VAT works (do you have to pay VAT on imports?). Bizarre that you might be importing from US to UK while I'm doing the opposite :-)

from The Trading Centre.[/quote]

Hi

The shipping costs were almost as much as the set :cry:

Looking on the UK vendors all the cheaper boards seam to be made of beechwood.

Andrew

msgreg · **#23**

Ginger wrote:

msgreg wrote:

The post here viewtopic.php?p=90853#p90853 links to three different UK vendors. I would expect shipping from the states to be £40-50 (it's £45 the other way!) I'm not sure how VAT works (do you have to pay VAT on imports?). Bizarre that you might be importing from US to UK while I'm doing the opposite :-)

from The Trading Centre.

Hi

The shipping costs were almost as much as the set :cry:

Looking on the UK vendors all the cheaper boards seam to be made of beechwood.

Andrew

That does seem to be true. I found one exception here in Amsterdam
http://www.goshop-keima.com/bj121-shin- ... anguage=EN
(from Schaak en go winkel Het Paard)

Most of the other solid boards seemed to start upwards of 150 GBP.
Many of the boards on http://mohsart.se/en/14-utrustning do not seem to include descriptions. The proprietor reads these boards, so maybe he can help find a shin-kaya and/or solid non-veneered board.

Perhaps shipping from the same continent will be more affordable :-)

msgreg · **#24**

Ginger wrote:

wessanenoctupus wrote:

Higher Quality full set : http://www.ymimports.com/p-1480-shin-ka ... sible.aspx

Thanks for all the replies, i am looking at the above set. Have asked YMI for the shipping cost to the uk. YMI dont have there full range on amazon uk.

tchan001 wrote:

[When you find yourself much more interested in go, you can start lusting after some of the beautiful equipment shown in the go sightings section of my blog

I like the set at the top of the home page lovely bowls

And full circle. Here's what is available on amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solid-Shin-Kaya ... 000Y94K30/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yunzi-Game-Doub ... 001FHSAGI/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Yellow-Mountain ... 0029LWGBY/

or you can use:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Single-Convex-S ... 0026KAIDG/
instead of the bamboo and have an extra set of plastic single convex stones.

You'll have to read the fine print to see if all the sizes are compatible.

Ginger · **#25**

msgreg wrote:

That does seem to be true. I found one exception here in Amsterdam
http://www.goshop-keima.com/bj121-shin- ... anguage=EN
(from Schaak en go winkel Het Paard)

Most of the other solid boards seemed to start upwards of 150 GBP.
Many of the boards on http://mohsart.se/en/14-utrustning do not seem to include descriptions. The proprietor reads these boards, so maybe he can help find a shin-kaya and/or solid non-veneered board.

Perhaps shipping from the same continent will be more affordable :-)

Hi

Thanks for those,

I think i am going to for the following.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000Y94K30/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A39SD9LCF1K5LH
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002LUZVBU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A39SD9LCF1K5LH
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0029LWGBY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=A39SD9LCF1K5LH

The board will last me for years, i prefer the look of these stones over glass and have gone for the single convex as they will be used mainly for studying and i like the idea of turning the stones over for variation.

Thanks for all your help

Andrew

Ginger · **#26**

Hi

After reading your last post, i might get the bowls with the plastic stones for study and get the Yunzi Double Convex as well.
its £15 difference in cost and the bowls look better.

Andrew

Ginger · **#27**

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002LUZVBU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A39SD9LCF1K5LH
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0029LWGBY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=A39SD9LCF1K5LH
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Hi

Have order the above £83 with free shipping.

One more question, what do people use for storing there boards when not in use.

Andrew

msgreg · **#28**

Please let us know the size compatibility with those. I use the original packaging, which is a box with perfectly fitting polystyrene.

I wish there was something more "storage-like" like a well-padded fabric/nylon case of some sort. But I've read that the "covers" from YMI are just fabric.

What you choose is based on whether you want to keep it out or not.

schwartzseer · **#29**

Ginger wrote:

[quote="Gingerhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000Y94K30/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A39SD9LCF1K5LH
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002LUZVBU/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A39SD9LCF1K5LH
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0029LWGBY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=A39SD9LCF1K5LH

Hi

Have order the above £83 with free shipping.

One more question, what do people use for storing there boards when not in use.

Andrew[/quote]

Curious, I went to Amazon.co.uk to see what you ordered, and was puzzled that YMI was still selling those poorly made bamboo bowls in the UK. I say this from personal experience, as I had ordered these bowls (with a bamboo board and Yunzi stones) from YMI about two years ago, and was very disappointed by their quality--there were sharp edges where the pieces of bamboo were not glued together properly, and the lacquer finish was spottily applied. A second set had the same problem, so I got a set of inlaid mahogany bowls from YMI instead (which I am very happy with). Shortly thereafter, YMI stopped carrying these bamboo bowls, and then about a year later had a listing for a redesigned bamboo bowl, which is much larger than its predecessor, but looks to be better finished (I have not seen them in person). I noted there was a review at Amazon.co.uk for these bowls, and checked it out--it was positive, and it contained a link to a "better picture" of the bowls--Aha! Mystery solved, YMI is selling the larger bowls, but neglected to update the image for the listing. What this means for you is that you shouldn't be surprised to find that your single-convex Yunzi stones will barely clear the midpoint of these bowls, as they are bordering on "super extra large" size (that is, "will contain stones greater than 11mm in height"), and the size 3 single-convex are less than 6mm tall. You may not be troubled by this, but if you are, you could alway have Amazon pay for return shipping as "the item did not match the picture." ;-)

Then you could take up the excellent suggestion of MSGreg, and get the double-convex Yunzi stones and the jujube bowl with melamine stones, and put whatever stones you were in the mood for in the bowls for at the moment (I caution that your opponent will prefer Yunzi, as melamine is very lightweight in heft) HTH,

Ginger · **#30**

schwartzseer wrote:

You may not be troubled by this, but if you are, you could alway have Amazon pay for return shipping as "the item did not match the picture." ;-)

Then you could take up the excellent suggestion of MSGreg, and get the double-convex Yunzi stones and the jujube bowl with melamine stones, and put whatever stones you were in the mood for in the bowls for at the moment (I caution that your opponent will prefer Yunzi, as melamine is very lightweight in heft) HTH,

Hi

Thanks for that, I do plan to get some double convex stones at some stage.
when it arrives i will post some comments and pictures.

Andrew

Tim C Koppang · **#31**

judicata wrote:

I also prefer slotted. In my experience, slotted boards join more smoothly, while hinged boards are bit more likely to develop a ridge in the middle (thought it can develop on slotted boards too). Others' experiences may vary.

Don't mean to thread-jack, but I thought I'd share my purchasing decision. I went with the double convex Yunzi stones in mahogany bowls and the folding board (for easier storage). I searched around for a slotted board, but they seem to be difficult to find in the States. I'm hoping the hinged board won't give me any problems. If it does, I may exchange it for the same board Ginger opted for.

Thanks for your help.

msgreg · **#32**

Tim C Koppang wrote:

judicata wrote:

I also prefer slotted. In my experience, slotted boards join more smoothly, while hinged boards are bit more likely to develop a ridge in the middle (thought it can develop on slotted boards too). Others' experiences may vary.

Don't mean to thread-jack, ... I searched around for a slotted board, but they seem to be difficult to find in the States.

The main slotted board available in the US is the one from Worldwise Imports. It's apparently MDF-like composite board with two rectangular tenons (the things that go in the slot/mortise). It joins very loosely and it's hard for me to recommend above the common 6-brothers HJP 302 hinged board. The slotted board does however have a decent surface veneer.

Tim C Koppang · **#33**

msgreg wrote:

The main slotted board available in the US is the one from Worldwise Imports. It's apparently MDF-like composite board with two rectangular tenons (the things that go in the slot/mortise). It joins very loosely and it's hard for me to recommend above the common 6-brothers HJP 302 hinged board. The slotted board does however have a decent surface veneer.

I did see the Worldwise Imports slotted board, but I wasn't impressed with the wood. The Shin-Kaya halves of the YM Imports hinged board look quite nice. My only hesitation was with the hinged, as opposed to slotted or magnetic join construction. However, I remain hopeful!

Question: What is "the common 6-brothers HJP 302 hinged board" that you mentioned?

msgreg · **#34**

Tim C Koppang wrote:

msgreg wrote:

The main slotted board available in the US is the one from Worldwise Imports. It's apparently MDF-like composite board with two rectangular tenons (the things that go in the slot/mortise). It joins very loosely and it's hard for me to recommend above the common 6-brothers HJP 302 hinged board. The slotted board does however have a decent surface veneer.

I did see the Worldwise Imports slotted board, but I wasn't impressed with the wood. The Shin-Kaya halves of the YM Imports hinged board look quite nice. My only hesitation was with the hinged, as opposed to slotted or magnetic join construction. However, I remain hopeful!

Question: What is "the common 6-brothers HJP 302 hinged board" that you mentioned?

I mentioned "common" because I've only found two retail places that carry go equipment: one in Austin, TX and the other in Ridgeland, MS. And they both had this same board. Here's a picture of the box under the go stones.

bogiesan · **#35**

Tim C Koppang wrote:

msgreg wrote:

The main slotted board available in the US is the one from Worldwise Imports. It's apparently MDF-like composite board with two rectangular tenons (the things that go in the slot/mortise). It joins very loosely and it's hard for me to recommend above the common 6-brothers HJP 302 hinged board. The slotted board does however have a decent surface veneer.

This is a crummy board, don't even consider it unless you plan to glue it together or somehow improve the slotting system. The slots are sloppy and I see no way to make them fit any better without major woodworking. The board can actually come apart while you're playing. If you were going to glue it to a substrate it would actually be a nice board.

Tim C Koppang · **#36**

bogiesan wrote:

This is a crummy board, don't even consider it unless you plan to glue it together or somehow improve the slotting system. The slots are sloppy and I see no way to make them fit any better without major woodworking. The board can actually come apart while you're playing. If you were going to glue it to a substrate it would actually be a nice board.

No worries. I have no interest in the board, but thanks for the input.

bogiesan · **#37**

Ginger wrote:

Hi, Have order the above £83 with free shipping.
One more question, what do people use for storing there boards when not in use.
Andrew

Depends on so much. I have a nice 20" faux leather document case similar to this unit.

http://elegalsupply.com/images/2010/Leather%20Pages/doccasesnew.png

My old slotted board fits with two bowls filled with stones that are individually wrapped in thick cloth. I also carry a collection of free AGA literature and those cute 9x9 punch out kits. Plenty of room left over.

It sits in the hall closet.

xed_over · **#38**

msgreg wrote:

Tim C Koppang wrote:

msgreg wrote:

The main slotted board available in the US is the one from Worldwise Imports. It's apparently MDF-like composite board with two rectangular tenons (the things that go in the slot/mortise). It joins very loosely and it's hard for me to recommend above the common 6-brothers HJP 302 hinged board. The slotted board does however have a decent surface veneer.

I did see the Worldwise Imports slotted board, but I wasn't impressed with the wood. The Shin-Kaya halves of the YM Imports hinged board look quite nice. My only hesitation was with the hinged, as opposed to slotted or magnetic join construction. However, I remain hopeful!

Question: What is "the common 6-brothers HJP 302 hinged board" that you mentioned?

I mentioned "common" because I've only found two retail places that carry go equipment: one in Austin, TX and the other in Ridgeland, MS. And they both had this same board. Here's a picture of the box under the go stones.

you can get the 6-brothers folding board at the Korean grocery/market H-Mart (if you have one in your area). But its just MDF board. Fine if you only need something cheap and portable. (and its HJGP 302)

msgreg · **#39**

xed_over wrote:

msgreg wrote:

you can get the 6-brothers folding board at the Korean grocery/market H-Mart (if you have one in your area). But its just MDF board. Fine if you only need something cheap and portable. (and its HJGP 302)

Absolutely right. my model number got mangled. Google image search on hjgp302 reveals lots of matching images.

Ginger · **#40**

Hello

Stuff arrived today.
I am very happy with it.

I have attached some pictures, remember these were taken with my phone camera and under indoor lighting.
The board is very nice. The colour is not to yellow and the grain is very nice.
The only comment for other people is the four pieces its made from are not uniform ( if that's the right word ).
one piece is 175mm wide, then 167mm, 58mm and 30mm i don't know if this is standard or varies between boards.

The bowls are a lot redder than they appear in the pictures but are a very nice colour.

Not much to say about the black stones, there black and a nice dark green when held up to the light.
The white stones though have quite a variation in colour, most of them ( ~80% ) have a slight greenish tint.There are quite a few that are much darker and some that are much whiter, i don't know if this is standard for Yunzi stones.

I got 198 white stones and 191 black.

If you want to know anything else just ask.

Andrew

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