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 Post subject: Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Post #121 Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:42 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . 2 . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


My plan is this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X 1 X 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . W . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is not that bad because I maybe would have played something like :wc: if he just had protected because I feared this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O 4 O O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O 3 1 2 . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . O . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm not sure who wins this fight.

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 Post subject: Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Post #122 Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:14 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 3 X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Connecting is probably sente, but not really that big - I'd prefer to save it for ko threats. I want to prevent white from making the sente atari here.

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 Post subject: Re: 154. illuck vs. Celebrir
Post #123 Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:09 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I have to play this move if I want to get something here. Otherwise it would be easy for him to reduce everything while he might gain even more.

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Post #124 Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:08 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I still have a sequence to slightly reduce the centre area through contacts, but that's quite small. I think this should be bigger even though it might be gote.

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Post #125 Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:25 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X 6 . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm searching for sente moves again.

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X b . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X d X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Sadly 'a' is not sente:

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X 4 3 . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O a X 5 6 X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The liberty at 'a' destroy my hopes here. In Dia.1 'b' looks like a good move because even if he plays at 'c' I should be able to gain/destroy more than he does.

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . 4 X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X 3 . 5 . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X 1 . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wonder why he didn't play 'd' in Dia.1 because I think this is a big sente. I'll try to punish him for that. If 'b' is really sente I think I'll play at 'd'

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Post #126 Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:01 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X , . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O 7 . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #127 Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:06 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . . X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X 8 . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If :w96: was sente, this should be sente as well.

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Post #128 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:57 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . 9 X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #129 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:28 am 
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[go]$$Bcm91 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | 0 X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just trying to keep sente. I think I have to get all points I can get now. I don't think he'll play the ko because it would be a good ko for me.

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Post #130 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:20 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . 1 . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My endgame is rather terrible, but this seems better than the extend. I don't think I want to fight that ko :p

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Post #131 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:49 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X 2 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have 3 places where I want to play now:
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X b X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I count the following worth of this moves:
a: 4 points gote
b: 6 points gote
c: 5 points revers sente

I hope this s more or less accurate... c seems the biggest with this and I still can play either a or b. If I play a or b he can play c first and then take the other a or b. With this it seems clear that I have to play c.

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Post #132 Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:05 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Right, that pretty big reverse sente - probably should have taken that.

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Post #133 Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:04 am 
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Sorry, that I took so long. Have some exams going on :-?

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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . 4 O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Only other possibility would be this:
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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . 1 X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X C X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, I don't like that I have to watch out for the circle liberty. If this one is taken and I tennuki:

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2a
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O 4 6 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . 3 O 5 0 . . a O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O 7 . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X 9 8 O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X 1 X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a kills me here
Beside I'm not sure whether he can use the cut there in another way in the future (with supporting stones which might be played then) so I want to prevent this.

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Post #134 Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:05 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X 7 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There's no rush at all, hope the exams went well :)

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Post #135 Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:07 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . 8 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think the exchange :b6:-:b8: was good for me because I can build up some territory here, which was impossible before:

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[go]$$Wcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 3 1 7 |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . 4 5 |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 6 |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he plays hane, I'm thinking about fighting back:

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[go]$$Bcm1 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . 6 4 . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O 2 X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 1 O 5 |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . 3 . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have to look at all variation here but I think I can get something good here.

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Post #136 Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:22 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O 9 X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this is sente (though even if it's not sente it's big enough that I have to play it :p)

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Post #137 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:12 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 0 O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is what I expect:

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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . 2 1 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This seems good for me because I made points where I thought I would gain nothing without losing a sente (:bc: which started this sequence was blacks sente.)

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Post #138 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:23 am 
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[go]$$Bcm111 illluck vs. Celebrir - Prisoners: 0-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Getting a few sente moves before I try to see if I have something around H8.

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Post #139 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:25 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . 7 O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . 2 1 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . 6 O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . 4 O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . . O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . . O 1 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I think making this strange shape may be best.

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Post #140 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:28 am 
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[go]$$Bcm101 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O a . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O . 4 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . 7 O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . 8 2 1 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . 5 O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . 6 O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The liberty at "a"?

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[go]$$Bcm109 illluck vs. Celebrir - Dia.1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . O O . O . X . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O . O X X . . . X , . . O O X O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O . X . . . 2 X O X . . |
$$ | O X X . . . . . . . . . O 1 O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X X X X . X O . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . . X O O X O X . O O . X O X . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . O O X O X . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O . . O . O . . X O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . O . . . . O O O B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . , X . . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . X . X X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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