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Offline gogameguru
 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #121 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:24 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
gogameguru wrote:
Yes, the peep doesn't look so good now.

The commentary said that the peep (33) was played too late. According to them, the best time to peep was this:

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[go]$$Wcm32 The timing of the peep
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 5 . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 2 3 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

White said he would've played 36 in that case, giving black time to finish the corner.

even that i dont agree... in above diag..that peep didnt do anything for black.
it made the black's side weaker if any...


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Well if it goes as suggested, black gets time to finish the lower right corner. If white still invades the corner, then white is heavier than before and now the weakness at n12 has been enlarged. I don't think black can ask for more than that.

I understand what you're saying. If you don't like the peep at all, that's a different matter and it's your style. You can leave it unplayed if you want.

If black was going to peep at all though, this is the right time to force white to connect and increase the weaknesses in white's shape. After black extends at q7, white's two stones become lighter.

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #122 Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:27 pm 
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Sorry for the slowness. As some of you might've observed, it's been one of those weeks...

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[go]$$Bcm49
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

How would you deal with 51?

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #123 Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:36 pm 
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What's black's next move?

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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #124 Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 B O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is what I'd like to see~

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #125 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:25 pm 
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@Chew
Right, that's what black wants to do. The only question is can he do it now?

The commentary doesn't talk about this, but here's my analysis:

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[go]$$Bc White sacrifices in good form and takes a big point like :w10:.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 2 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 O 9 . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 X 7 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Pushing at 8 and playing atari everywhere wouldn't really help black.

You'll see in the game that black plays to enlarge the weakness first, mainly to prevent the diagram above from happening.

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #126 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:27 pm 
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So black still aims at cutting, how can white handle this?

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[go]$$Bcm53
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #127 Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:59 am 
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@Chew
Right, that's what black wants to do. The only question is can he do it now?

The commentary doesn't talk about this, but here's my analysis:

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[go]$$Bc White sacrifices in good form and takes a big point like :w10:.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 2 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 O 9 . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 X 7 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 5 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Pushing at 8 and playing atari everywhere wouldn't really help black.

You'll see in the game that black plays to enlarge the weakness first, mainly to prevent the diagram above from happening.

Thanks. I seem to worry too much about if I CAN cut, not if I SHOULD.

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #128 Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:19 am 
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I think White ends up thick if Black cuts after :w54:. I don't really know how to handle :b55: though.

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[go]$$Bcm53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #129 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:36 am 
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I think White ends up thick if Black cuts after :w54:. I don't really know how to handle :b55: though.

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[go]$$Bcm53
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


@hyperpape
Good point, white has to look for the best way to sacrifice some stones here.

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 Post subject: Re: Guess-the-next-move!
Post #130 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:41 am 
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So this is the game. Similar to hyperpape's diagram, except black decides to cut at 55 first. What happens if white blocks here? What's the alternative?

If you need some ideas, you can look at the two hidden posts above. As is often the case with Go, the next move comes much more naturally when you look at things from the right perspective.

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[go]$$Bcm53
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #131 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:39 am 
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Turns out I wasn't reading enough.

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[go]$$Bcm53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 4 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O 3 O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X 7 O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'd been thinking of this diagram, which ends up good for White, I think. White ends up thick.

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[go]$$Bcm53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 4 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O 3 O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 8 9 O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But black doesn't have to cut :b59: is better, I think. It's true that white ends up with a wall, but I don't like it as much.

I still can't think of any way around :w56: or :b57: or :w58:.

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Offline gogameguru
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Post #132 Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:06 pm 
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Well it seems like people aren't that interested in continuing this. Is it because it's boring or because it's too hard? In my opinion, it's not the most exciting game.

What do you all want to do? Continue or not?

Also, does anyone know when gaius is coming back? I thought he said he'd be away for two weeks but it's been 3-4 weeks.

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Offline jts
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Post #133 Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:04 pm 
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I've been following it, but it's a bit above my level to try to read out the sequences - the strategic aims are hard for me to grasp, let alone the local moves.
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Offline Dusk Eagle
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Post #134 Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:04 pm 
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This type of thread often seems to peter out. If you do stop, it would be nice if you could at least post an SGF of the entire game.

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Offline SoDesuNe
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Post #135 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:17 am 
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For me it's just heavily time-consuming to come up with an answer, that's why I seldom write here.
It is really interesting to read this position and to reason between possible outcomes and I think it is very beneficial but then again, it takes a lot of time (>1 hour) if I want to be satisfied with my assessment ^^

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #136 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:39 am 
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I'm enjoying it, but I'm just one person.

It is a lot of time to post a sequence, so there may be quite a few readers who aren't speaking up. There are certainly a lot of views for the thread.

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Offline gogameguru
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Post #137 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:56 pm 
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White's trying to get sente. What do you think black should do?

Hint: It's black's turn, but where abouts would you play as white if you got sente here? Don't think, use your intuition - it's faster. ;)

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[go]$$Bcm53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #138 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:21 am 
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[go]$$Bcm53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe slow, but it prevents the squeeze.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #139 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:49 am 
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How about in the top left? If white gets something like D14, it looks like he's (or she's) close to three sides of a box-shaped framework.

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Offline gogameguru
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Post #140 Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:15 pm 
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So black tenukis to take a big point. Before doing anything else, it's white's right to take a bit of sente profit now. How would that go?

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[go]$$Bcm53
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm53 If black just connects, I think 58 is big even though 'b' looks big too.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . 5 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 1 X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The diagrams below just show some bad aji. Black would have to wait for the right time to exploit it because white has various other ways to respond.

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[go]$$Bcm1 The marked stone looks nice, but the situation's a bit weird. Later on...
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 9 0 . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . 7 O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . 3 4 X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O 1 5 . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 W . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Later (not immediately) black could play the diagram above and this one out.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O X O . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
$$ | . X O O X . . . X . O . X . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . O O W . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . O X X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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