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I'm enjoying it, but I'm just one person.
It is a lot of time to post a sequence, so there may be quite a few readers who aren't speaking up. There are certainly a lot of views for the thread.
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White's trying to get sente. What do you think black should do?
Hint: It's black's turn, but where abouts would you play as white if you got sente here? Don't think, use your intuition - it's faster.
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Maybe slow, but it prevents the squeeze.
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How about in the top left? If white gets something like D14, it looks like he's (or she's) close to three sides of a box-shaped framework.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
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So black tenukis to take a big point. Before doing anything else, it's white's right to take a bit of sente profit now. How would that go?
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@hyperpape and @Chew
$$Bcm53 If black just connects, I think 58 is big even though 'b' looks big too.
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[go]$$Bcm53 If black just connects, I think 58 is big even though 'b' looks big too.
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The diagrams below just show some bad aji. Black would have to wait for the right time to exploit it because white has various other ways to respond.
$$Bcm1 The marked stone looks nice, but the situation's a bit weird. Later on...
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$$ | . 8 9 0 . . . . . . X . . . . O X O . |
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$$ | . 3 4 X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O 1 5 . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 W . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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[go]$$Bcm1 The marked stone looks nice, but the situation's a bit weird. Later on...
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$$ | . 3 4 X X . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O 1 5 . . . . . . O . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 W . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$Bcm1 Later (not immediately) black could play the diagram above and this one out.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Later (not immediately) black could play the diagram above and this one out.
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OK, here's the game record, courtesy of
GoGoD. If T Mark and John don't like this, I'll remove it and get the game from another source.
Sorry about letting this thread fizzle.