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Made me vote for too much.

Oh

Makes me ask myself how and where Go teachers should tell their potential students that they are available … perhaps better use a straw wo/man who posts the link, like “ZOMG hey look what I've found!!!11”?

Should we perhaps discuss where the red line is in advertising stuff that IS RELATED TO GO?

Perhaps a board where teachers may introduce themselves?

Cordially, Tom

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We have an entire sub-forum devoted to the advertising of products. Why not have one for teachers?

My assumption is that it is just too hard to tell if someone is a good teacher. While product websites can be found to be reputable through one source or another, teachers can be anyone. Not every person advertising here would be a well known pro. On the contrary, most would be amateurs and most would be unknown.

If there was a way to prove that someone was reputable then maybe that forum would be a good addition to L19, but I would hate to see a member get burned by a dishonest teacher just so that the occasional honest one can be promoted here.

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That was way too harsh. Breakfast has even a subforum for his sensei league. Alakazam wrote just 2 weeks ago that he is offering go lessons. I'm happy with both things, the admins apparently too. Time to change the TOS or at least create a subforum where such posts are allowed. I really feel bad for Redrose. I still remember her game against Tartrate on kgs. Greeting a pro on this forum like above is against all etiquette. JB, did you think she is a hoax?

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Wow, this ticks me off. Why in the world would we want to discourage a professional go player from informing us about her services? What a great message to send about our forums. "L19: we bite our nose to spite our face." It's not like she's selling used cars.

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It just make me wonder why there is even a sub forum called Teachers/Club Leaders if teachers are not allowed to offer services here.
Clearly there is a problem with the TOS in this case. I would say the mod did not overstep their authority though, they were just following the rules.

Agreed. At the very least that should be restored and the moderator should apologize to the poster.

The point of no advertising is not to stop useful posts on go stuff...

I want to disagree.
He should have been following the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law.
The TOS was not written to cover every potential issue in detail. This should have been a judgement call in the other direction.

IMO the mod should resign.

IMO the mod should NOT resign. That's the first time completely disagree with him. But I prefer this place with his contributions and decisions than without them. The harm is done. No need for new one. Change the TOS.

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Ok, I've seen at least a dozen people advertise go lessons on here without issue. So what's the exact problem with this one?

+1


Couldn’t have said it better, thank you.


Cordially, Tom

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Very unfortunate.

This makes me think. There should be a sub-forum for Go-related ads. They are very relevant to the game and to the community, and should not be suppressed like that. I understand the no-advertising rule, but we also need to be reasonable. A lot of the stuff people say here can be seen as ads (threads about book recommendations or reviews, for example, or tournament news) - so there is certainly room for that.

Of course, ads will have to be closely monitored so they don't become spam, but info about teaching or a new book coming out, or whatever...

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It's a slippery slope. As soon as you allow mods to make their own interpretations of the rules you end up with KGS.

The red mod text says "Posting or private messaging advertisement is not allowed...."

That ... is very significant. The TOS says:



if the advertisement is for your own product = TRUE
it is Go-related = TRUE
it's not intrusive to the forums = TRUE
threads only when appropriate = Creating thread in Teachers subforum seems appropriate to me

I don't think the mod (who I only now realized is JoazBanbeck) followed the TOS correctly if we are being letter-of-the-law-following mindless ban machines, and certainly not the spirit. And certainly not how I would like L19 to be run.

Great post. I have never read the TOS here and assumed (incorrectly) that it was being enforced strictly. I reverse my earlier position. Thank goodness there are people out there who actually research instead of making assumptions.

Ahhh... The availability heuristic raises its pointed little head again, leading to another round of mountaining out of molehills.

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Well, when I first saw this thread I was thinking of voting "too much" or "perhaps a little too much" but I didn't want to vote for the 1st option as L19 isn't as bad as KGS, but thought the wording of the 2nd was too gentle (there's no perhaps about it). The thread where JF complained about pro's inaction made me re-open redrose's post which I then saw had been admined too harshly so I voted.

A quick scrape of the index page shows me a total of 155,342 posts in 9,039 topics to date. So I'd have to say that all those who voted based on a couple of examples that came quickly to mind did, indeed, fool themselves.

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I'd agree that voting based on any recent incident doesn't work very well (I didn't vote, I didn't agree with any of the options) but I do think it's healthy for a community that there's some discussion between admins and users regarding decisions.