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Offline Hades12
 Post subject: Re: #233 moyoaji vs. Hades12
Post #41 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:50 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners -
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 4 , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . 3 . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Hades12
 Post subject: Re: #233 moyoaji vs. Hades12
Post #42 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:57 am 
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feels like time to fight.
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Offline VincentCB
 Post subject: Re: #233 moyoaji vs. Hades12
Post #43 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:34 am 
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If black wedges, can't white play like this? He has to give way a bit, but he stays connected and secures some territory.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners -
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 7 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 9 4 5 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . 3 6 8 . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline skydyr
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Post #44 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:40 am 
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EdLee wrote:
Hades12 wrote:
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[go]$$Bm21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O b . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . a . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
this move seals the side from being undercut. Still a large invasion point.
Not sure what Hades meant by that. His :w22: is not a good combination with his other bottom stones --
it does not fix the big weakness at (a).
Locally (and globally?), maybe :w22: directly at (a) is better.
Globally, (b) is a big shared point.

My original assessment was that :b21: was not good, because it doesn't gain anything significant for black, and it induces white to fix his weakpoint by playing A or one space above it. If white wants to allow the invasion, however, things suddenly become rather dicey, as white is quite possibly letting himself be split into two weakish groups in an area of black strength. Black can even push at B and then follow up with A, since it would be pretty painful for white not to respond to B, and if he takes A, he's still not making a gigantic territory.
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Offline EdLee
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VincentCB wrote:
If black wedges, can't white play like this? He has to give way a bit, but he stays connected and secures some territory.
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[go]$$Bm21
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 7 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 9 4 5 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . 3 6 8 . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
What if B counter ataris with :b3:, allowing :w4: ponnuki, then connects with :b5: ? The :wc: group looks a little unhappy.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 4 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 3 O 1 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X W . . W 5 X 2 . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X W W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
But W can also connect back if W ataris again on the bottom with :w4:, allowing :b5: ponnuki in sente:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 5 . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 3 O 1 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . X 2 . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . 4 . 6 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline moyoaji
 Post subject: Re: #233 moyoaji vs. Hades12
Post #46 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:16 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 4 5 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . 3 . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Time to wedge and fight. Let's see what response white gives for this.

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Offline Hades12
 Post subject: Re: #233 moyoaji vs. Hades12
Post #47 Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:48 pm 
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Offline moyoaji
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Post #48 Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:11 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 6 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 4 5 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . 3 7 . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Alright. I will assume we are playing the variation I said was white's best option. We'll see.

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Offline Hades12
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Post #49 Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:02 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners -
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 8 6 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 4 5 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . 3 7 . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


i see a double hane coming.
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Offline EdLee
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Hades,
Back on :w22:, you said:
Hades12 wrote:
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[go]$$Bm21
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
this move seals the side from being undercut. Still a large invasion point.
What did you mean by those two statements ?
1. What did you mean by "seals the side from being undercut" ? Could you elaborate with a diagram. Which undercut ? Who undercuts where ?

2. What did you mean by "Still a large invasion point" ? Could you elaborate with a diagram. Which invasion point ? Who invades where ?

Thanks.
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Hades12 wrote:
i see a double hane coming.
Not sure which double hane Hades meant.
But W has shape problems after :b1: :
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . O X O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O 1 X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Hades,
Hades12 wrote:
i see a double hane coming.
Which double hane ? Could you elaborate with a diagram ?
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Offline moyoaji
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Post #53 Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:30 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners - :black: :white:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 8 6 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . 4 5 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O 9 3 7 . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Do I have any other move I should even consider? This looks great for me. It exposes a ton of weakness in white. :w28: doesn't seem to hurt my stone at :b21: much while :b29: seems to decimate white's position.

I am no longer concerned with simply how to live on the bottom in sente. Now I am considering all sorts of possibilities for how I can cut white to shreds.

I don't get this reply by white at all.

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[go]$$Bcm1 What does white do?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . b 2 O X O a . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O 1 X X 3 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


So after :w2:, which has to be the move he'll play or I'll take it immediately, I can play :b3:. Now white has to pick. Does he let me cut off his stone at O3 with 'a' or does he let me cut off his group at D2 with 'b'.

Not a fun choice in my mind. Not to mention :w2: seems bad just because it creates the dreaded empty triangle. Either way, I have some reading to do. Maybe this is actually good for white and will kill my stones? :scratch:

But something tells me that if I play correctly I will get a favorable result here.

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Offline Hades12
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Post #54 Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:32 pm 
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[go]$$Bm21
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . b . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


The undercut at a and the invasion at b.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . 2 O X O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O 1 X X 3 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
Of course, W doesn't want to play the empty triangle :w2: above.
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 2 4 O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . 6 5 3 O X O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O 1 X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners -
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . 8 6 . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . 0 . 4 5 O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O 9 3 7 . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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If B pushes and cuts with :b1: and :b3: :
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . 6 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 3 2 O O 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O 1 O X O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X 4 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . 9 0 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bm11
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . 9 X . O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 8 X O O O X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X 0 . . O X O X O . 2 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . 4 3 . 7 . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 6 5 . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners -
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . O X O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X 1 2 . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


This double hane
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Hades,
Hades12 wrote:
This double hane
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[go]$$Bm21
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . O X O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X 1 2 . O . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
So, you think B will play the above :b21: now ?
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Hades,
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The undercut at a and the invasion at b.
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[go]$$Bm21
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , O . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . b . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . a . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
So when you played :w22:, what was your feeling on the invasion :black:(b) ?
What was your reading on :black:(b) at that time ?
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