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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #81 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:05 pm 
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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


He has one eye. I think that it will be hard to keep it that way, but I have to try.
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #82 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:20 pm 
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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #83 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this exchange was better for me.
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #84 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:00 pm 
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The last move was a mistake. I made my move quickly without thinking because I was remembering the shape in one of the variations I examined. Now I will have a harder time. :scratch:
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #85 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:21 pm 
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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X . . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X 4 . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Difficult.
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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #86 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:09 pm 
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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X 5 . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I wasn't all in before, now I definitely am. I'm pushing him towards my stones on the top side.
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #87 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:16 pm 
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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X 5 . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . a . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X b . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm, I'm pretty sure if black played at (a), I'm dead. So this may have been a mistake on his part, I'll have to read it out. I played (b) to see how he responds. Maybe I could squeeze in local life if he responds incorrectly.
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Offline Puppycakes
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #88 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 7 , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 1 , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I'm pretty sure he still only has one eye on that side.


Crud. I just realized that I think with this, he lives:
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[go]$$Bm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 1 , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 2 . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Puppycakes
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Post #89 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:33 pm 
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I resign.
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Offline mw42
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Post #90 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:47 pm 
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I resign.


Blah, I don't mind if you change your move. This is a friendly game.
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Offline EdLee
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #91 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:59 pm 
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What if :w1:?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 1 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Puppycakes
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Post #92 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:06 pm 
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Well, I went back and read your comments already because I figured I could.

I like the idea of discussing this tsumego, though.

I almost played this, but then didn't like this:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O 6 O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 7 X O 2 0 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | 5 4 O X 8 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 9 X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O O O 1 . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X O O X O 2 3 . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X 4 . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #93 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:07 pm 
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I believe that's why he resigned. He moved to quickly and realized his mistake before I even made my move. :sad:


@Puppycakes

If it is your decision to stick with the resign, then I feel I stole this from you. You definitely had me on the ropes with this group. I was too bold, and you played against my invasion very well.

Did you consider this move?

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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X . c . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O d . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O a b X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If W(a) then B(c) surrounds and kills, I believe. If W(b) then B(d). After :b85: I think white is hopeless.
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Post #94 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:14 pm 
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I believe that's why he resigned. He moved to quickly and realized his mistake before I even made my move. :sad:


@Puppycakes

If it is your decision to stick with the resign, then I feel I stole this from you. You definitely had me on the ropes with this group. I was too bold, and you played against my invasion very well.

Did you consider this move?

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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X . c . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O d . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O a b X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If W(a) then B(c) surrounds and kills, I believe. If W(b) then B(d). After :b85: I think white is hopeless.


That's the sequence that I was going to play, but then I read that it didn't work and now I see that I simply hallucinated something up.
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Post #95 Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 8:17 pm 
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Indeed, your sequence was what I was expecting.

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[go]$$Bm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a c O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . b O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If (a) then I believe I could live.

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[go]$$Bm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 4 , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If (b) then perhaps something like this

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[go]$$Bm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | . O O 5 O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | 4 . 2 , O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 6 3 O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 1 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Your sequence for (c) was similar to mine and is the most complicated. This is why I avoided it when running was possible and was planning to resort to it as a last ditch effort when I got myself into trouble.
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Puppycakes,
Puppycakes wrote:
I just realized that I think with this, he lives
What if... :w10: at (a) more fighting? :)
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | 6 O O 8 O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 5 1 7 O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O 9 O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 2 . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . a . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #97 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:34 am 
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EdLee wrote:
Puppycakes,
Puppycakes wrote:
I just realized that I think with this, he lives
What if... :w10: at (a) more fighting? :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | 6 O O 8 O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 5 1 7 O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O 9 O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 2 . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . a . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Why not :w10: at (b)?

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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | 6 O O 8 O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | b 5 1 7 O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O 9 O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 2 . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . a . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Thanks for the game, Puppycakes, if we do play again perhaps it should be even. I think you are at least as strong as me. :salute:
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Post #98 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:00 am 
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mw42 wrote:
EdLee wrote:
Puppycakes,
Puppycakes wrote:
I just realized that I think with this, he lives
What if... :w10: at (a) more fighting? :)
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | 6 O O 8 O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 5 1 7 O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O 9 O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 2 . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . a . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Why not :w10: at (b)?

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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . . . X . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , . . . . . , O X . |
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . . . . X . X X . . |
$$ | 6 O O 8 O O X O . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | b 5 1 7 O . O . . X . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . O 9 O X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 4 2 . O X . X X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . a . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O . . . O X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Thanks for the game, Puppycakes, if we do play again perhaps it should be even. I think you are at least as strong as me. :salute:


I'd love to play again. Also. I think I'd love to see comments on this game.
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Offline aurik
 Post subject: Re: 108: Puppycakes (3k) vs. mw42 (2k)
Post #99 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:55 am 
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Keep in mind that I'm not any stronger than you guys so don't take my comments as correct...just my weak opinion.

* Unless my reading is wrong (which happens quite often, so double-check me!) B9 in that diagram is failing to kill in gote, W doesn't even need to play @ 'b' yet.

* In retrospect, I didn't really like 45. The moyo is a bit too open. I also don't really like trying to build a moyo with non-forcing moves. I would prefer moves that take contested territory as long as they are available; 46 seemed like to be a sharp response.

* I think 70 would have been better played directly at 74. B's most aggressive response locally still seems to be 71, but you aren't trading 72 for 73+75+1 white prisoner, and the sequence remains playable later.

* If there wasn't local life already at that point, cutting at E7 (hane at the foot instead of hane at the head) at 80 would have lead to a very interesting fight.

* 79 @ C8 indead of B7 looks like an interesting attack, might have been sufficient to kill locally and lead to the running fight.

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mw42,
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Why not :w10: at (b)?
You're right; that variation was wrong.
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[go]$$B Seki?
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . .
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , .
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . .
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . .
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . .
$$ | 6 O O . O O X O . . .
$$ | 7 5 1 . O . O . . X .
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . .
$$ | 4 2 . O X . X X . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . .
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O .
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------[/go]
Maybe this is better for :b5: ?
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . X O X . O O X . . .
$$ | . . X O O . X . X , .
$$ | . . X X . O O . . . .
$$ | . X . X . . . . . . .
$$ | X . X . X . . . . . .
$$ | . X O X O X X X . . .
$$ | 5 O O . O O X O . . .
$$ | . . 1 . O . O . . X .
$$ | . O . O X . O . . . .
$$ | 4 2 . O X . X X . . .
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 3 O X . . . . . . .
$$ | . X X . X X . . . . .
$$ | . . . , X O . X . O .
$$ | . . . . . O . O . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------[/go]
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