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Offline EdLee
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Post #81 Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:21 pm 
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[go]$$Wm48
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . 1 X O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Seems forced, and also the continuation. But let's see what he does.
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Offline LexC
 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #82 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:03 am 
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[go]$$Bm49
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

What I read
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Offline EdLee
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Post #83 Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:32 pm 
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[go]$$Wm50 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Taking seems to be better than connecting: B has the 2nd line atari, yes (not very useful),
but B also lost the 5th line atari (which is useful).
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Offline LexC
 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #84 Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:35 am 
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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 3 O 6 . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | 9 4 5 O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 7 1 2 . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . 1 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 O X X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | 4 X O O . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . 5 X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O X X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | 4 X O O 5 X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | X . X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

This variation look better for white

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[go]$$Bm51 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 5 O 8 . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | 9 6 7 O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 4 . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . 2 X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #85 Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:25 pm 
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Was expecting this:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . X . . X .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . ,
$$ | . . 5 1 3 . . . . .
$$ | . . X O 2 4 . . . .
$$ | . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Variation: Maybe not so good because W gets an extra sente move :w6: ?
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . X . . X .
$$ | . . 5 O 7 . . . . ,
$$ | . . . 1 3 6 . . . .
$$ | . . X O 2 4 . . . .
$$ | . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . 2 O 6 . X . . X .
$$ | . 3 4 O . . . . . ,
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . .
$$ | . 5 X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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Post #86 Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:44 pm 
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[go]$$Wm52 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Forced? Interesting vars coming up.
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Post #87 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:08 am 
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[go]$$Bm53 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 1 O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wm54 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline emeraldemon
 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #89 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:22 am 
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not for players:

So is black's thickness well placed to attack the two white stones on the bottom? Or are whites stones on the bottom well placed to negate black's thickness?
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Offline jts
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Post #90 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:39 am 
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@emeralddemon

Isn't the first question what happens to d16? It looks painful to sac d16 wholesale, but equally painful to run d16 out on dame while B gains more central strength.

It's also a little odd to frame this game as W's territory versus B's thickness, since for now B has four corners.
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Offline emeraldemon
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Post #91 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:13 pm 
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The sacrifice sequence Ed posted looks like the only sequence for white to me. It is painful, but if it goes that way white will have sente. I think black is in a stronger position overall, but the lower left is still open for white to invade.

I was specifically wondering about black's thickness on the right; if black caps or attaches on top of those two white stones, it looks like it could get big.
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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #92 Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:39 pm 
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Personally, I'd have checked some moves outside first before the last move because the following sequence might be a useful threat that forces black to back off. Exchanging 54 with 55 removes a possibly useful liberty:

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[go]$$Wm54 Prisoners:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 X X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O 3 . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | 6 1 2 O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 4 X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Not saying that there are working outside moves because I haven't read carefully, but white should examine the possibility first.
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Post #93 Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:19 am 
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[go]$$Bm55 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O 1 O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

What I read
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Continuation 1:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . X O 1 4 X . . X .
$$ | 6 W X O . . . . . ,
$$ | . 2 X O . 3 . . . .
$$ | . 5 X O . 7 . 9 . .
$$ | . . O X X 8 0 . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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[go]$$Wm11
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . X O O X X . 2 X .
$$ | X . X O . . . 1 . ,
$$ | . X X O . O . . . .
$$ | . O X O . O . O . .
$$ | . . O X X X X 3 . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Continuation 2:
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . X W 2 . X . . X .
$$ | . O X O . . . . . ,
$$ | . . X O . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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[go]$$Wm56 Prisoners: :b1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X O . . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . 1 X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Not sure about this result. Not sure how to compare to this variation:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . X . . X .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . ,
$$ | . . 5 1 3 . . . . .
$$ | . . X O 2 4 . . . .
$$ | . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Also not sure how to compare to this variation -- but :wt: and :w1: seem to make
W heavier than in the real game?
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[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X X . . . . . .
$$ | . X Q 1 4 X . . X .
$$ | 6 W X O . . . . . ,
$$ | . 2 X O . 3 . . . .
$$ | . 5 X O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X X . . . . .
$$ | . O . O . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
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Post #96 Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bm57 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . 1 . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$ Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | a a a a a a a . . . . . b . . . . a a |
$$ | a a X X a a a . . . . . b . . . X a a |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . O . O X a a |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . a a |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | b b O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | b O b O . . . . . . . . . . . X O b b |
$$ | b b O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O b b |
$$ | b b O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O b b |
$$ | b b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O b |
$$ | b b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O b |
$$ | b b O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . a . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a a . . . . . b b . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a a . . . . . b b . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Black 29 White 28 not so bad
White has three stones to worry
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[go]$$Wm58 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 1 . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Not sure about this trade -- B reduced upper left; W lower left.
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 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #98 Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:41 am 
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[go]$$Bm59 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


White :w58: seems absolutely sente
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[go]$$Wm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . 1 , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Still not sure. :oops: But it seems something like :b1: helps (a) area and puts pressure on the :wc: group:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . W . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . a . 1 . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |[/go]
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Post #100 Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:19 am 
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[go]$$Bm61 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . 1 O , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


What I read, both seems good Read other path but looks worst for white
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[go]$$Bm61 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . 1 O 2 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 3 . . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm61 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . 5 2 . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . X . X . . X . O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . 1 O 4 . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . 3 . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . O . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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