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 Post subject: Re: #170 Hyperpape vs. Opex
Post #21 Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:16 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:35 am 
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[go]$$Bcm22
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Opex has played quite well so far. Maybe :b20: could be a bit better, but otherwise, B is doing well.
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Post #24 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:38 am 
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Sorry to play so slowly. Sometimes I just freeze.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . b d . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . a . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 2 c . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
As per the freeze comment, I don't have a lot to say--I spent a lot of time looking at the position, but not a lot of time thinking through concrete variations. I did look at all of a-d, but found it tough to read more than one or two moves ahead. Even with this move, I have a hard time predicting what my opponent will play. Well, there's a weakness of mine. I can read a tsumego--not superbly, but tolerably, but I just shut down in an open-ended situation, sometimes. Disconnecting the black stones in the center is absolutely essential, but almost every move has shape problems. This has the least, and might be forcing.

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Post #25 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:34 pm 
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No problem, I don't have much time now, so I may be slow as well. :)

Hmm, it's dangerous to mark letters on diagrams, you may give your opponent some ideas... I didn't consider b :) But still I think that I'll go with safer a. It allows me to forget about the corner for the time being (I hope I'm not missing something here). Maybe :b22: should have been one line higher...
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[go]$$Bcm24
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 1 . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #26 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:37 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . 2 . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . 1 . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
It's hard to gain anything in a running battle like this. Both my groups are weak, his group on the left is too stable to be a target for an attack or even reduction. So I have to get twice as much done as he does to break even, and that doesn't happen that often.

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hyperpape, did you realize you put labels openly with :w23: in your Post #24 ?
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After it was too late. But they don't give anything away, if Opex has even one insight because of them, it'll be one more than there was in my hide tags. :cry:

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Post #29 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:07 am 
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I have one weak group (yet), white has two. Run and keep them separated.

By the way, running fight is my weak spot, so any feedback and hints are more than welcome :)
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[go]$$Bcm26
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . 1 . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #30 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:40 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . 1 . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X # . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O # # . . O . 1 . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . # # . # . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . # O . . . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This may be a silly theory, but I'd rather not give him the chance to build up his right side by playing against that group. The marked group, on the other hand, is so solid that it can't gain much. Of course, that deliberately means not strengthening the weaker group.

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Post #31 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:33 am 
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Really want to grab the right side, but then I'm worried about k4 group. So the move I chose (1) threatens to connect, (2) gives me a tiny base and removes the chance for a base for the white group, (3) it's a shape point.
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . 1 . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #32 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:43 pm 
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This is a lot more painful than I'd realized. I had read black's wedge after c, but obviously not well enough. I'm not sure there's anyway to survive an immediate wedge and cut--there may be a chance to get something on the right side, but nothing worth letting him connect and capture in the center. So that leaves: ugly shape at b or the peep at a. Let me rephrase: that leaves terrible shape, or the peep, with ugly shape.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O b 1 . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . 1 . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X 8 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . 2 6 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X 4 O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O 3 1 . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm not going to show all the variations, but I think white simply gets nothing once Black plays 9. Thus, the peep is useless.

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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O 7 X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 5 3 4 8 9 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O 6 X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X 0 . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm38
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O X X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X X O O X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O O X 1 . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X O . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 3 O . a 2 . b . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm feeling slightly better, since I realized that playing :w39: instead of a should live. If black plays :b40: then I'm contemplating b instead of a and the variations can get quite hairy, but I'll post them if/when we reach that point.

I should say: I'm happy only relative to the super-horrible results I was contemplating earlier. This is still a really really bad result.
In other exciting news, this is the first time in forever that I've not been on turn in one or the other of my Malkovich games. Yay for not feeling time pressure.

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Trying to seal the group. Maybe I'm greedy here...
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[go]$$Bcm30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm30
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Forced.
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Even if I don't seal the group, I have better way out to the center. If I stay connected, of course...
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[go]$$Bcm32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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After :b2:, (a) and (b) are miai for B, so W will suffer a loss locally:
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . b . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 2 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . 1 O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm32
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . 2 O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Caught a bit of a break there--I think he would have gained from playing up and not left any particular weaknesses for me to exploit.

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Denying connection for white. I need to keep the group weak.

My move loses some aji, though.
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[go]$$Bcm34 The standard variation would be perfect for me
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 4 1 8 9 . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 O 2 7 O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm34 But what to do here? a?
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 5 1 6 . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 O 2 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know what is the best play for both sides if I play d8.
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[go]$$Bcm34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Probable move:
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[go]$$Bcm34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . 4 3 . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 5 O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I'm pretty confident there's not enough aji to escape if I play this way.


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[go]$$Bcm34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 . 5 . . 2 . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 O 1 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This could be obnoxious at some point, but right now, it's a small loss.

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[go]$$Bcm34
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . 2 . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X . O O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . X . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O . X . . X . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This requires quite a bit of thought.

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