Topazg vs. Yithril

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:37 am

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Gosh, I really didn't expect him to hane on that side, and I'm delighted he has (rightly or wrongly). It struck me that one of the few possible issues he might have had was the weakness of the lower side White stones. Hane on the other side both gives me a squishy small corner and seems to build up influence facing outwards from both sides of the corner... this seems to put his own group in pressure:

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Now I either get to hurt that group and live, or he strengthens it and I run upwards towards the White moyo. I'm probably missing something crucial somewhere.

yithril · Post by **yithril** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:20 pm

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:03 am

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Continuing as per plan. I did wonder slightly whether White would consider switching directions .. the following seemed quite an interesting alternative to me, although it does feel somewhat inconsistent with the original hane:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 at A also seems interesting $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . , . X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . O O O X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 4 6 O . . . . . O . . O . X , . . . | $$ | . 5 O X 1 . 2 . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . 7 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm reasonably happy with the position at the moment, although it's far too early for me to feel confident making a judgement on who's currently ahead (if anyone).

yithril · Post by **yithril** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:30 am

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:34 am

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yithril · Post by **yithril** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:03 am

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He's not bad at all. 5 is a good move. He has to do it, because other moves are too submissive. I can still pressure him though with 6 to defend my stones. If he jumps again, I defend the left side. I also don't want him sliding under my high stone here.

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If he had played 5 then I have the clamp at 6.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:47 am

Initial thoughts:

My initial reaction is one of the following:

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I think locally is massively urgent, so I'm not really considering tenuki right now, but there are lots of pros and cons in detail later, but in short: I really don't want White to get "a", it's just annoyingly painful and very sente. However, descending myself seems to risk making me heavy. The hane at "b" + atari + hane again also appeals in some ways, but it also makes White ridiculously thick locally. I'd be happy enough if I can double hane, as that would almost completely fix my group, but I don't think I can because he can just cut. "d" is if I can't find any local continuations I'd be happier with, but it's still a bit painful because of White "a". "e" is an intellectual curiosity more than anything. I'm considering it primarily out of some desire for sabaki should he try to wedge - however it's not entirely clear if it leaves useful aji that would make it better than the hane at "b" directly. I also think there's a risk of Black losing :b45:

and White letting Black live low on the bottom, which is unacceptable. I'm leaning most strongly towards "a" at the moment, but I need to do some reading before committing myself here.

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:18 am

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Well, time for a change of plans

Originally I was looking at the descent, but it doesn't really achieve anything - all it does is give White good kikashi and leaves Black weak:

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It's still very clear Black doesn't have two eyes, and it's very unclear the best way to proceed for me. Sure, it gives some cute aji at points like "a", but moves like that are designed to remove bases in order to attack and separate. I can't see any way of doing that that doesn't put my group in more trouble.

The next thing I looked at was jumping out the other way to see if I simply need to make ground before responding locally:

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Again, this doesn't seem to achieve anything, and I still have no eyes (ok, I can make an eye in gote with "b", but it feels a bit painful). I actually scrapped looking after the two stones almost immediately. I can't use them for eyespace because of the descent in the corner that White made, and they aren't all that valuable in and of themselves - they don't really serve me any purpose, and their only points value is them not dying, which is maybe 4 or 5 points, which I'm not going to go saving in gote right now.

So, the next thing I looked at was strengthening White's group in order to secure mine:

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I really like this sequence - I had looked at playing :b53:

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, but after White cuts and black connects, I can't find any way of not ending up in a worse position than this sequence, and it's very clumpy and ugly looking.

Unfortunately, I think White can do this:

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Now the "a" and "b" cuts are miai, and Black has conceded a lot of points without really gaining anything of value - :b47:

in particular really looks like a waste. I could play to connect underneath:

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But now all the marked Black stones look really really unhappy, and this sort of thickness is precisely what White wants to use with his result in the top left.

So, I ended up going with the move in game because it gives me a similar result to the one I want, but with a different move order that sort of prevents this wedge unpleasantness:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . , . X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . O O O X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . 1 2 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . 5 O . . O . X , . . . | $$ | . . O X X . 7 X O 6 . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

All in all, this looks very satisfactory to me. Of course, I can't prevent the wedges, but then I can treat some of the stones lightly and make some form of kikashi to become strong:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . , . X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . O O O X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 9 7 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . 5 . 3 6 8 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X 2 1 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . . . 4 O . . O . X , . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm47 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . , . X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . O O O X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . 5 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X 2 1 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O a 7 6 4 O . . O . X , . . . | $$ | . . O X X 9 8 X O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Either way I'm conceding something to White, but in exchange, I'm developing a nice strong group - in each situation, :b51:

seems to be a key point, but I can't see an easy way for White to exploit it (that doesn't mean there isn't one of course

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yithril · Post by **yithril** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:29 am

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:56 am

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I assume you're connecting

As planned... I'm expecting to him to push and cut now:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . , . X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . O O O X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 9 7 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . 3 . 5 6 8 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X 4 X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . 1 O 2 O . . O . X , . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If so, this works quite nicely for me I think with regards to reducing his left hand side

yithril · Post by **yithril** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:04 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . , . X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . O O O X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 . X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . 1 O 2 O . . O . X , . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:14 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . , . X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . O O O X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 2 3 X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X O O O . . O . X , . . . | $$ | . . O X X . . X O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

yithril · Post by **yithril** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:32 pm

@obs

Some thoughts

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . O X O . X . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . O X X . . . . , . X . X . X O . . | $$ | . . O O O X X X . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . O O . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . 5 . 6 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O X X . X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O O . X O O O . . O . X , . . . | $$ | . . O X X . 2 X O . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Stabilizing my bottom group while getting sente to play at a is first and foremost on my mind right now. This seems to be the right tempo, but I need to think out counter strategies from his perspective.

yithril · Post by **yithril** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:38 am

Topazg, i don't think our game is exciting enough

No comments at all

topazg · Post by **topazg** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:58 am

yithril wrote:Topazg, i don't think our game is exciting enough No comments at all

I know, it's disgusting! I hope you've got something fun coming up to get the posts flowing

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