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Offline MarkSteere
 Post subject: Re: Kaya Beta still costs money
Post #41 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:30 pm 
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How many games have you guys designed?

[chirping crickets]

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Post #42 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:32 pm 
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This topic has veered far off course, mostly due to the imprecations of a single poster. I request that the forum moderation intervene.
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Post #43 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:36 pm 
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MarkSteere wrote:
How many games have you guys designed?


How many games have you played?

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Post #44 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:41 pm 
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Xa17u wrote:
How many games have you played?

Of Go? A few. I haven't completely given up on Go, btw. I just need the right instructor. Getting completely annihilated, from the first few moves onward, while receiving zero instruction is not real helpful, believe it or not.

Maybe I'll be inspired by Kaya if I ever get my free account. And assuming the lag isn't too bad. I find any degree of lag totally unbearable.

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Post #45 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:53 pm 
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I think they intend to open up for more accts on monday, so be sure to watch it. And yes, getting zero instructions is really not helpful. Is this the reason you are (= seem to be) displeased by Go? I could understand this.

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Offline MarkSteere
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Post #46 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:16 pm 
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Bonobo wrote:
I think they intend to open up for more accts on monday, so be sure to watch it.

Will do.

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And yes, getting zero instructions is really not helpful. Is this the reason you are (= seem to be) displeased by Go?

Pretty much. Go is undoubtedly a magnificent game, once you get a toehold. To be honest, the last time I played Go and was "disgusted", it wasn't Go. It was Redstone. But same idea. Getting continually brutalized while not having a clue is really unpleasant in Go/Redstone.

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Post #47 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:35 pm 
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MarkSteere wrote:
Getting continually brutalized while not having a clue is really unpleasant in Go/Redstone.
Well, getting continually brutalized while not having a clue is really unpleasant anywhere, IMHO.

Maybe time to step out of the victim role … and seek support from the many friendly people in the Go community? I’ve had quite a lot of really nice encounters with stronger players (than I am) on KGS and Kaya, very often offering me reviews and explaining my mistakes resp. recommending better moves. Also, I’ve read many many threads here where people shamelessly (in the best sense) submit their game SGFs and so many friendly people here helpfully commenting …

I have the feeling that in life, as in Go, it often is better not to attack directly since this often seems weakens one’s own position.

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Post #48 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Post #49 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:10 pm 
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The distinction between attacking and defending, in life and in games, isn't always clear.

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Post #50 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:16 pm 
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For the main topic of the thread....it seems to have been amicably resolved by post #5, and a couple other interesting on-topic posts sprinkled throughout (it would be nice if the beta expanded a bit).

For this side-issue:
MarkSteere wrote:
Xa17u wrote:
How many games have you played?

Of Go? A few. I haven't completely given up on Go, btw. I just need the right instructor. Getting completely annihilated, from the first few moves onward, while receiving zero instruction is not real helpful, believe it or not.


I would disagree here. Once you know the basic rules, and the concept of life and death (essentially what you get at http://www.playgo.to/iwtg/en/ ), go can be very much like swimming or riding a bike....you can try to have all the instruction in the world, but you can't learn to swim from the dock! Get out there and play...Swallow your pride, play some games, get crushed, and get a feel for how the game works, just like the proverb says ("lose your first 50 games as fast as you can, then you can start learning").

As far as the rest of the thread goes...RGG is over there
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Post #51 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:30 pm 
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Mef wrote:
http://www.playgo.to/iwtg/en/

I've started on these tutorials a few times but I just don't seem to have the tenacity for it. On a typical day I play the sax, smack some yellowjackets with my badminton racket, play some more sax, play Hex Oust online if anyone's around, walk or drive my new cls63 to the taqueria, take a nap with my cats, get a 2 hour Chinese massage, watch crime shows on tv, lights out. There isn't a lot of room in there for travail.

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Post #52 Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:39 pm 
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I really don't like this tutorial. This one is much better, hands down.

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Post #53 Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:13 am 
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[admin] Time to lock this thread as it's been only going off topic.

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