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Offline lorill
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Post #141 Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:22 pm 
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EdLee wrote:
My counting is bad, but it seems close; I'm not sure. Hmm... difficult. :-|


Mine is pretty bad too, but I count this even without counting the center, where black has much more potential. So to me black is comfortably ahead in this game.

Anyone stronger care to validate ?
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Offline LexC
 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #142 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:11 am 
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you did not move ?
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Offline EdLee
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Post #143 Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:17 pm 
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[go]$$Wm88 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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Still don't know what to do for yose.
This finally killed the :w1: aji, which has been sitting here since :bc: ( :b39:) --
B has (a) and (b) miai for life, or (c) to connect, so no problem for B:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . 0 . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 X . a |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X 4 6 |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O 2 1 5 |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . B 3 |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . c O O 7 |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline LexC
 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #144 Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:32 am 
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[go]$$Bm89 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O 1 . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I think he want to play smething like that
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[go]$$Bm89 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X 6 7 |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . 8 |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O 1 . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . 4 X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . 3 2 O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I think that would be better for me than the ko
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[go]$$Bm89 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 3 |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O 1 . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . 4 2 O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X 5 . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #145 Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:22 am 
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For LexC's first diagram, isn't black just unconditionally alive if he plays 95 at 97? It also seems like 93 should be the extension rather than the tiger mouth to not give white the atari for free.
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Offline EdLee
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Post #146 Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:05 pm 
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[go]$$Wm90 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Getting close to baby yose; still dunno what I'm doing. :oops:
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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #147 Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:38 pm 
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Is 90 actually needed? It feels a bit small if black plays something as below in exchange. I would probably prefer to jump out instead, but maybe I'm underestimating the importance of a base here.
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[go]$$Wm90 Captures:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . 2 . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline LexC
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Post #148 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:24 am 
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[go]$$Bm91 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


What I read
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[go]$$Bm91 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X 2 4 |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X 3 . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . 5 O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bm91 Captures: :b1: :w1:
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . 4 O X 8 6 |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X 9 7 |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X a |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . b O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


a and b are miai
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #150 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:33 am 
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[go]$$Bm93 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


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Offline EdLee
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[go]$$Wm94 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
This seems bigger than replying to :b93:, but I'm not sure.
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[go]$$Wm94
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . a . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline LexC
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Post #152 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:37 am 
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[go]$$Bm95 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . 1 O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


What I read
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[go]$$Bm95 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . 4 O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . 2 . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X 3 . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #153 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:47 am 
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Is "a" in your last dia much of a threat, bearing in mind it can only be taken in double gote, no?

I'm not criticising the move, as it's big because of the comparison of Black getting there first, just a comment about the threat of "a" adding much additional value.
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Post #154 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:21 am 
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topazg,
topazg wrote:
Is "a" in your last dia much of a threat...
I have no idea. It's "a" follow-up. I dunno how big it is. I dunno when I'll take it.
I wasn't kidding when I said I dunno what I'm doing here in yose. :mrgreen:
But somehow B keeps making these gote moves... I dunno. :-|

If B got :b1: first, it seemed pretty big to me, too:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Was not expecting :b95:.
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 Post subject: Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Post #155 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:37 am 
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@ed:

I agree, I think Black getting to play there first was really quite big, and I certainly think :w94: was bigger than :b95:
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Post #156 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:38 am 
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Not for the players.
EdLee wrote:
If B got :b1: first, it seemed pretty big to me, too:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

I think this is the tesuji though:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O 2 4 5 X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #157 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:49 am 
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At last, :b95: fixed the funny business in that area.
For the longest time, I was wondering:
- push (a)? then cut (c) or (d)?
- push (a), then clamp (e) ?
- peep (b) ?
- (f) -- but premature without the (a) push-and-cut ?
I read and read, and thought B's corner was still OK -- because B had miai of living or connecting at (a),
so I didn't play any of (a) - (f). :)
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[go]$$
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O . f . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . c X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . e b a O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . d X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wm96 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . 1 . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Not sure if :b1: is very big:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . 1 . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |[/go]
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Post #159 Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:36 pm 
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[go]$$Bm97 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X 1 . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


What I thought first
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[go]$$Bm97 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . . . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Then what I read
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[go]$$Bm97 Captures: :b1: :w1:
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . 5 X 2 8 . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . 4 3 6 . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . 7 . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Locally, my move would be the jump to :b1: instead of extend;
now I have the option to take the :b1: spot myself.
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . X X O . . O . O X . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O , O . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . O X O . . . X O . . . . O . . . X . |
$$ | . O X O X X . . X . 1 . . . . X X X O |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . O . O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . X . X O . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X X . X . . . O . . O . . . X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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