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Offline topazg
 Post subject: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #1 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:59 am 
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Ok, everyone likes watching me get beaten up by magicwand, so let's get rumbling again :)

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Nigiri?

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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #2 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Who gets black?
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good luck.
everytime i play him i fall behind and have to catchup.
i will start making things complicated from early so i dont have to catchup later.
this game will not be a game of balance but game of initiative and retaliation.

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Offline hyperpape
 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #3 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:17 pm 
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Since I'm going to be saying this in a month or two, I'll say it now: you guys should play another game!

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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #4 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thanks, you too, let's make it interesting for both us and the spectators :)

I'm going unorthodox from the start. Our games are interesting enough as they are, and I'm fed up with being out played in the messes he creates. So I'm going to meet him head on and take the initiative - Letting him dictate the pace is a recipe for disaster against magicwand
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Offline Loons
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Post #5 Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:35 pm 
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #6 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:58 am 
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i tried such opening before i always regret i did that. I have a feeling that he will do same.

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Offline topazg
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Post #7 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:06 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, let's see what happens. What an awkward position this is going to be :P
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Offline mw42
 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #8 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:06 am 
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Since topazg whipped me on OGS, I'll have to cheer for Magicwand in this game. Should be fun to watch!
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Offline Magicwand
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Post #9 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:48 am 
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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: #178 - magicwand vs topazg
Post #10 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:21 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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Lots of thoughts. None of them coherent. However, I've been reading New in Go and the O fuseki credo, and I'm wanting to play. Basically, I'm trying to create a board where I can wring an advantage out of most of the standard 5-3 approaches...
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Post #11 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:45 am 
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Post #12 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:51 am 
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Have you ever tried the crab-eyes formation, and what did you think of it as opposed to the more balanced 3-5 points you played?
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Post #13 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:27 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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@skydyr:

skydyr wrote:
Have you ever tried the crab-eyes formation, and what did you think of it as opposed to the more balanced 3-5 points you played?


No, I don't even know what it is :P (although I'm guessing you mean :w4: at the other 5-3 in that corner). I did contemplate it here, but it felt very much lower edge orientated, and it felt too much like I'd end up relying on making a big framework or losing. I'm trying to keep something dynamic and interesting now - I'm quite pleased about magicwand's last move as it makes the Q3 approach just right for White. I hadn't really worked out how I was going to deal adequately with various pincer options.

So many complications in the air already, someone's gonna die somewhere I suspect :D
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Post #14 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:10 am 
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Post #15 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:17 am 
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@skydyr:

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Have you ever tried the crab-eyes formation, and what did you think of it as opposed to the more balanced 3-5 points you played?


No, I don't even know what it is :P (although I'm guessing you mean :w4: at the other 5-3 in that corner). I did contemplate it here, but it felt very much lower edge orientated, and it felt too much like I'd end up relying on making a big framework or losing. I'm trying to keep something dynamic and interesting now - I'm quite pleased about magicwand's last move as it makes the Q3 approach just right for White. I hadn't really worked out how I was going to deal adequately with various pincer options.

So many complications in the air already, someone's gonna die somewhere I suspect :D


It's the other other 3-5 :). White 2 and 4 both have the strong/low sides facing black's stones. I have heard that it's a good way to counter an influence oriented opening by black, but I am at a level where playing a 3-5 point often gives an advantage because one player doesn't know how to deal with it well, so it's hard for me to make a real judgement of it.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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I feel like a puppy with a new toy. I have no idea what I'm doing but it feels fun :)

Edit: Actually, whilst it is true that I don't really know how to best play this way, it's based on http://www.gogod.co.uk/NewInGo/NewInGo.htm -- check out the end of page 3 and beginning of page 4 to a sort of example of the ideas behind what I'm trying to do here (actually, read the whole article, it's really interesting).
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Post #17 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: :b100: :w100:
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Tengen eh? That's a very influential position you have there magicwand ...
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Post #19 Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:05 pm 
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Was it not urgent to play the 3-3 invasion instead?

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