Here is a hard fought game. Except for unnecessarily dying at the end, I can't figure out what went wrong and why, and I'd appreciate if someone might point out a few of my major strategic and tactical mistakes. Thanks
Looking for a review of a tough game
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Re: Looking for a review of a tough game
As you know I'm only a few stones stronger than you, but I will give it a stab anyway.
24: I would go high - tying off the loose end at M4 at the same time seems good.
28: I would be pretty worried about B tenuki... and then what have you gained?
34: C5 first, I think. After rolling over B, M5 or something might look better than J3, right?
50: C5 first seems way bigger. I would also prefer adding a move in the upper left (smash through the sector line!) to this immediate turn.
52: Too late
68: F7 seems so much bigger! But I understand you don't feel like running around putting out fires...
74: You're the one who has a weak group here, right? So 1-space jump?
144: Aji keshi... this gives N8 an extra liberty, which weakens your L9 cut a lot.
152: Why not just connect? The big local move is b12/b11 anyway, so I don't know why you would worry about him getting the forcing move.
184:If you just capture his three stones, your net loss in the corner amounts to the value of his endgame moves around f13. (Think about it - your group started with 11 living stones and ~6 points of territory, now you'll have 11 living stones and 8 points of territory, plus a nice endgame move at B15.) Just kidding, you cant capture those stones, of course.
24: I would go high - tying off the loose end at M4 at the same time seems good.
28: I would be pretty worried about B tenuki... and then what have you gained?
34: C5 first, I think. After rolling over B, M5 or something might look better than J3, right?
50: C5 first seems way bigger. I would also prefer adding a move in the upper left (smash through the sector line!) to this immediate turn.
52: Too late
68: F7 seems so much bigger! But I understand you don't feel like running around putting out fires...
74: You're the one who has a weak group here, right? So 1-space jump?
144: Aji keshi... this gives N8 an extra liberty, which weakens your L9 cut a lot.
152: Why not just connect? The big local move is b12/b11 anyway, so I don't know why you would worry about him getting the forcing move.
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Re: Looking for a review of a tough game
Thanks jts. C5 does seem like an oversight at best. In fact, I managed to talk myself out of it.jts wrote: 50: C5 first seems way bigger. I would also prefer adding a move in the upper left (smash through the sector line!) to this immediate turn.
I haven't read Wilcox' sector lines, and breaking through it isn't something that would have occurred to me. In this case it refers to the line between C12 and K16? I suppose a move like H14 would cut it, but could you tell me a bit about the desired effect? H14 would feel to me like a small move in gote. Is it more like honte?
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Re: Looking for a review of a tough game
Maybe H14 is a small move in gote! I don't know. But the point of smashing through a sector line (yes, C12->K16) is that you can't kill a group, or even threaten to kill a group, without sealing it in, and you can't seal it in if it's not behind your sector lines. The main point of H14 would be to make G18 alive. The secondary point would be deny B the chance to attack/reduce some other area by first sealing you in in sente (by forcing you to live in gote), and then using his power in the upper left as a springboard for some other attack. The tertiary point is that all of his endgame moves against G18 become much less valuable once that group doesn't have to live locally.daal wrote:Thanks jts. C5 does seem like an oversight at best. In fact, I managed to talk myself out of it.jts wrote: 50: C5 first seems way bigger. I would also prefer adding a move in the upper left (smash through the sector line!) to this immediate turn.![]()
I haven't read Wilcox' sector lines, and breaking through it isn't something that would have occurred to me. In this case it refers to the line between C12 and K16? I suppose a move like H14 would cut it, but could you tell me a bit about the desired effect? H14 would feel to me like a small move in gote. Is it more like honte?
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Re: Looking for a review of a tough game
At 78, Black's stone is cutting two strong groups, so I think it's small to capture it.
I also dislike Q10. What about just a one space jump to avoid strengthening Black?
I also dislike Q10. What about just a one space jump to avoid strengthening Black?
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Re: Looking for a review of a tough game
Some thoughts. 
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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Re: Looking for a review of a tough game
Thanks hyperpape and Bill,
Both of you commented on move 78. I don't know why that seemed big to me. But the comment that it is cutting two strong groups is something I should take notice of - particularly in this case where I have a weak group on the board.
Bill - twice, at
and
you pointed out that my decision was sub-optimal because it failed to take into account the strength of the group on the bottom right, so I guess I'm not appreciating or understanding what to do with such strength. After
it was the left that had more potential for development, correct? And what
ought to be doing is increasing the potential of the bottom instead of trying to cash in? I'm usually worried in this sort of situation about increasing the potential and then losing the cash. Risk-avoidance mentality you think?.
Both of you commented on move 78. I don't know why that seemed big to me. But the comment that it is cutting two strong groups is something I should take notice of - particularly in this case where I have a weak group on the board.
Bill - twice, at
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Re: Looking for a review of a tough game
It's a close call, but I prefer the pincer. The proverb says not to approach strong stones.daal wrote:Bill - twice, atand
you pointed out that my decision was sub-optimal because it failed to take into account the strength of the group on the bottom right, so I guess I'm not appreciating or understanding what to do with such strength. After
it was the left that had more potential for development, correct?
I would not go so far. First, I think thatAnd whatought to be doing is increasing the potential of the bottom instead of trying to cash in? I'm usually worried in this sort of situation about increasing the potential and then losing the cash. Risk-avoidance mentality you think?.
As for losing the cash, what you generally want to do, especially in the opening, is play close to the edge. (Not the edge of the board!
I have added some commentary to both plays.
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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