24. Tabemasu (7d) vs. Araban (5d)

Suji · Post by **Suji** » Sat May 29, 2010 11:47 pm

@ Araban: I love your explanations, and I'd have to say that you're making an interesting game accessible to beginners like me. I especially like how you don't go into long complex variations, and I enjoy your global assessments.

Overall, I'm learning a lot just by watching your videos/reading your commentary. Keep up the good work!

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sat May 29, 2010 11:52 pm

Kirby wrote:
Araban wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Sol, ummm...you may have a typo in the trigger.

I see no typo.

I think that Joaz missed the second instance of the word, "then". I also did the first time that I read it.

Yep, that was it.

Post by **Solomon** » Sun May 30, 2010 12:43 am

Suji wrote:@ Araban: I love your explanations, and I'd have to say that you're making an interesting game accessible to beginners like me. I especially like how you don't go into long complex variations, and I enjoy your global assessments.

Overall, I'm learning a lot just by watching your videos/reading your commentary. Keep up the good work!

Thank you! If you have any questions regarding anything, let me know and I'll do my best to help make things crystal clear

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:Yep, that was it.

Ah okay, I could see how it could be misread so I fixed it.

Suji · Post by **Suji** » Sun May 30, 2010 12:53 am

Araban wrote:
Suji wrote:@ Araban: I love your explanations, and I'd have to say that you're making an interesting game accessible to beginners like me. I especially like how you don't go into long complex variations, and I enjoy your global assessments.

Overall, I'm learning a lot just by watching your videos/reading your commentary. Keep up the good work!

Thank you! If you have any questions regarding anything, let me know and I'll do my best to help make things crystal clear .

I will do that.

Tabemasu · Post by **Tabemasu** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:16 am

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I guess he wants to play this common sequence, this way I can build up my moyo on the left, and I think I can be satisfied.

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He could also play this way instead. He is completely alive with some territory, but I get sente and I might get the chance to cut at 'a' later.

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The reason I didn't kick first was because I wanted to build a large moyo. I didn't want him playing something like below because he can treat his stones rather lightly and reduce my potential while also aiming to attack W2.

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The high pincer didn't really have any deep meaning. Since I am going for a moyo, I will naturally play higher moves. Anyway, keep the questions coming, and sorry for taking so long.

Post by **Solomon** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:21 am

Hey Gus

. I offered a trigger sequence in my last move/post, so my automatic/triggered response is C2. Then, if you play E3, I connect at D2.

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zinger · Post by **zinger** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:46 am

uglyboxer · Post by **uglyboxer** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:57 am

zinger wrote:
What about this reply for white:

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 5 . . . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I like a good messy fight ... is there some outright refutation?

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:01 am

uglyboxer wrote:
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 O X 1 . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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[go]$$ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 5 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 4 O X 1 . . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O X O X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just a thought.

uglyboxer · Post by **uglyboxer** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:33 pm

daniel_the_smith wrote:
I think white would play one point above .

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:28 pm

zinger wrote:
What about this reply for white:

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 . . . O , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------

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[go]$$ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O 5 . . . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O X 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I like a good messy fight ... is there some outright refutation?

Tabemasu · Post by **Tabemasu** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:57 am

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 24 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O X W X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

daniel_the_smith · Post by **daniel_the_smith** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:02 pm

Triggers are a pretty tricky concept... :twisted:

Post by **Solomon** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 2:14 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 25 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

(part of trigger sequence I posted earlier)

Tabemasu · Post by **Tabemasu** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:52 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c Move 26 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . O X . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O W . . . O , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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