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Offline Yuc4h
 Post subject: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #1 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:47 am 
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Since solving life and death is one of the primary ways of improving your game, I would like to have a thread of inspirational tsumegos. Those that left you with a particularly satisfied feeling when you finally managed to solve it. I will start by posting the tsumego that inspired me to start this thread.

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Edit: Yeah, black to live unconditionally.


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Offline rlaalswo
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #2 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:34 pm 
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This problem is from Kweon O-min 5p's creative tsumego book 神技妙手(Shin gi myo su).
Took me a full week to solve.
edit : sorry guys it's black to play first and kill white


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Offline Lamp
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #3 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:40 pm 
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I dont see in either of these yet whether its white to play or black to play. It doesnt always make a difference, as often the killing point for one is the living point for the other, but thats not always the case.
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Offline jts
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Post #4 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:50 pm 
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Lamp wrote:
I dont see in either of these yet whether its white to play or black to play. It doesnt always make a difference, as often the killing point for one is the living point for the other, but thats not always the case.

Try solving for both! :)
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Offline rlaalswo
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Post #5 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:57 pm 
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I dont see in either of these yet whether its white to play or black to play. It doesnt always make a difference, as often the killing point for one is the living point for the other, but thats not always the case.

I edited my post, its black to play first and kill white
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Offline Yuc4h
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #6 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:08 pm 
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In my problem, it is not particularly challenging to read how white would kill black. If it was white to play, more or less every move by white will kill black instantly :)

I was just thinking what would be the most retarded way for white to kill black. In this case white can kill black by playing C5 :D
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Offline gogameguru
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Post #7 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:12 pm 
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This is one of my favourites. I feel happy just imagining these moves being played out. It's artistry.

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Offline rlaalswo
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Post #8 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:12 am 
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should I or should I not attach solutions?


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Offline HermanHiddema
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #9 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:46 am 
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Yuc4h wrote:
Since solving life and death is one of the primary ways of improving your game, I would like to have a thread of inspirational tsumegos. Those that left you with a particularly satisfied feeling when you finally managed to solve it. I will start by posting the tsumego that inspired me to start this thread.

Image
Edit: Yeah, black to live unconditionally.


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[go]$$B
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . 4 O . . .
$$ | . . . O O 3 X O . ,
$$ | . . . O X . X O . 2
$$ | . . 6 5 X . 1 X O .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . .
$$ +--------------------[/go]


:w2: is necessary to prevent black from escaping to the right.


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[go]$$Bm7
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 4 . . O O . . .
$$ | . 6 3 O O X X O . ,
$$ | . 2 1 O X . X O . O
$$ | . 5 O X X . X X O .
$$ | . 7 . O . . . . . .
$$ +--------------------[/go]


:b13: is the key move

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[go]$$Wm14
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O O . . .
$$ | . O . O O X X O . ,
$$ | . O . O X . X O . O
$$ | 1 X O X X 4 X X O .
$$ | . X . O 5 3 6 2 . .
$$ +--------------------[/go]


White cannot connect, black makes an eye.

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[go]$$Wm14
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O O . . .
$$ | . O . O O X X O . ,
$$ | . O 3 O X . X O . O
$$ | 4 X O X X . X X O .
$$ | . X 2 O . . . 1 . .
$$ +--------------------[/go]


Black makes an eye in the corner

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[go]$$Wm14
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . O O . . .
$$ | . O . O O X X O . ,
$$ | . O 3 O X . X O . O
$$ | . X O X X . X X O .
$$ | . X 1 O 2 . . 4 . .
$$ +--------------------[/go]


Living eyeshape.
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Offline HermanHiddema
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #10 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:13 am 
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Here's on I like:

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[go]$$B Black to play and kill unconditionally
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . O . O O O |
$$ , . O . . . O X X X |
$$ . X X O O O X X O . |
$$ . . . X X O X O O . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ --------------------+[/go]

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Offline p2501
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #11 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:32 am 
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HermanHiddema wrote:
Here's on I like:

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[go]$$B Black to play and kill unconditionally
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . O . O O O |
$$ , . O . . . O X X X |
$$ . X X O O O X X O 5 |
$$ . . . X X O X O O . |
$$ . . . . . X 1 2 3 4 |
$$ --------------------+[/go]

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Offline HermanHiddema
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #12 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:55 am 
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p2501 wrote:
HermanHiddema wrote:
Here's on I like:

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[go]$$B Black to play and kill unconditionally
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . O . O O O |
$$ , . O . . . O X X X |
$$ . X X O O O X X O 5 |
$$ . . . X X O X O O . |
$$ . . . . . X 1 2 3 4 |
$$ --------------------+[/go]

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Yes. :b3: is the key move. Many people find it counter-intuitive and have trouble finding it. I've seen strong dan players take way too long on such a small problem :)
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #13 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:59 am 
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That tesuji on move 49 would have won this game, which also featured a fun triple ko at the end.

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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #14 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:07 am 
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[go]$$B Black to play and kill unconditionally
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . O . O O O |
$$ , . O . . . O X X X |
$$ . X X O O O X X O . |
$$ . . . X X O X O O . |
$$ . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ --------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$B Black to play and kill unconditionally
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . O . O O O |
$$ , . O . . . O X X X |
$$ . X X O O O X X O . |
$$ . . . X X O X O O 1 |
$$ . . . . . X 3 2 . 4 |
$$ --------------------+[/go]


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Offline gowan
 Post subject: Re: A Thread for particularly nice tsumegos
Post #15 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:29 am 
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[go]$$B 19x19 diagram White to Play and Kill
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X X X . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . X O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O . O X . X O X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is from Nakayama's Treasure Chest Enigma. He says that no pro he showed it to could solve it, but it's not difficult for kyu players.

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Offline Gerlige
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Post #16 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:25 pm 
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One strong friend of mine showed me this one in local pub. I wasn't able to solve it that time.

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[go]$$ Black to kill!
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | X X X X X . . . .
$$ | . . . O O X X X .
$$ | O X O . X O O X .
$$ | . . . . O . . . .
$$ -------------------[/go]
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Offline Uberdude
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Post #17 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:35 pm 
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Special Offer! 2 tsumegos for the price of one! After 25 moves this one ends up as a favourite tsumego I had seen earlier, but who doesn't like a Wagnerian prelude? ;-)

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[go]$$ White to play and live
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X X O . X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Yuc4h
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Post #18 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:27 am 
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HermanHiddema, you got the right answers for the one I posted. Many great tsumego already in this thread. Nice!
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Offline Lamp
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Post #19 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:42 am 
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HermanHiddema wrote:
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[go]$$Bm7
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 4 . . O O . . .
$$ | . 6 3 O O X X O . ,
$$ | . 2 1 O X . X O . O
$$ | . 5 O X X . X X O .
$$ | . 7 . O . . . . . .
$$ +--------------------[/go]




What if, instead:
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[go]$$Bm7
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . O O . . .
$$ | . . 2 O O X X O . ,
$$ | . 3 1 O X . X O . O
$$ | . 4 O X X . X X O .
$$ | . . . O . . . . . .
$$ +--------------------[/go]
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Offline tchan001
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Post #20 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:29 am 
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[go]$$W White to play and live unconditionally
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O X X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . O O O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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