Only players can click on Done.

Refusing to finish a game is equivalent to trying to escape it, only it wastes more time (of everyone involved).

What if the person has some technical difficulty where they are continued to be present on the server but their OS malfunctions in a way to prevent them from grabbing focus of the window?

Just leaving a game you can claim technical difficulty, but apparently the rules get very strict during scoring, even if its not the persons fault.

It is very bad policy if the rules are so open to abuse at one point of the game, then suddenly applied full force at another point.

In the unlikely event that your computer is fully functioning up to the moment you pass, however renders you unable to click the done button during the scoring phase, then you can simply log back in once your computer is functioning, resume the game and resign it. The "full force" of the rules simply means you have to log in to the server again, which if your computer is frozen for 5 minutes where you cannot click a button or chat in KGS it is probably a wise idea to do so anyway.

This doesn't make sense to me. If an admin can declare the game adjourned although the players are both still there, why can't he declare it over? Seems just to be a matter of choice. If the problem is technical, then surely that can't be a huge hurdle. It would waste far less time and cause less dissatisfaction if such games could be forcibly ended - or are you assuming a good reason for not clicking "done?"

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Patience, grasshopper.

Both players are not still there:

I must say, it really sounds like you are talking in circles. At the point that the dispute starts, both players are still there. The question is: what to do about the abuse? You say: The admin removes the offender from the game, thus labeling him an escaper, and I say: instead, you should declare him the loser. What is better about the way things are currently done?

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Patience, grasshopper.

Imagine this situation:

Two players just reached scoring phase. Losing player sees that he has lost the game, but refuses to click "done". Then sits around in the room, doing nothing.

Now, if the winning player clicked done, and asks the losing player to click on "done", and losing player doesn't respond. Imagine this situation, where losing player has appeared to walk away from the screen without exiting the game itself...winning player is left sitting at the screen for 10 minutes, waiting for the other guy to finally click "Done"

With this situation, I ask you what you would do here, if you were the admin? Keep in mind that telling the winning player to leave the game is not the solution here.

If I were the admin, and it were technically feasible, I would declare the game over by pressing the "done" button for the losing player. What's wrong with this idea?

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Patience, grasshopper.

The only issue I see, is that we still don't know if it is possible because the admins are talking in circles (as you mentioned earlier).

What is the big deal here? KGS rules are dead simple: you can leave ranked games whenever you please, but if you do it too much you start forfeiting them.

Sure, it seems sort of silly that you can leave a game right before it's scored to avoid a loss. But you can leave a game right after your huge group dies and avoid a loss like that; happens all the time. Why not declare him the loser? Maybe because he disconnected or something and he actually wants to undo and play more moves. That's precisely the same reason given why an admin wouldn't declare someone the loser after they lose a huge group; maybe they disconnected and they want to play more moves.

It's no more or less abusive. I don't know why you would be cool with KGS's normal escaper rules but suddenly feel like this particular instance is too lenient. It's completely consistent and it works well enough.

The problem is you still haven't answered the question. The question is if both players are in the scoring phase and the one who is loosing refuses to click done or leave, what happens?

You get an admin, who can threaten a ban if the naughty player doesn't finish the game properly.

No assumptions.... it is not possible for an admin to somehow take over control of another person's account, to click the Done button. Or otherwise force the Done button to get clicked in any way other than the player clicking it hirself.

And if you think about it a bit, would you really want that to be possible?

I don't see how this happening. Could possibly be less damaging than being banned from the server. If we are worried about abusive admins, there are so many things that we should be worried about first.

Unless I've misinterpreted something, what you're saying is "if you've lost a game and don't want to be marked as an escaper, make sure you leave before you've finished filling in the dame"?



Yes, it has happened a few times on OGS with quite some success and the satisfaction of the player being held up. AFAIK it's never been a power that's been abused.

Well, the OGS admins are nicer than those on KGS

I had a similar thing happen tonight, I had a weak group the opponent could capture, but he didn't see it and passed, I then passed as well figuring the game was over. It goes to counting, and suddenly he plays another move. I didn't think it would also undo my pass as well. I still won in the end, but now I know to always defend even if they pass

I don't really see how this is related. Of course you have to be able to do this