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Splatted · **#21**

Is anyone else imagining Shapenaji recounting this in therapy?

xed_over · **#22**

shapenaji wrote:

I made the move I believed was right (And trust me, this board was completely open to interpretation.) I suspected he was after a "There is more territory on the side than in the middle". but I saw excellent reasons for a center strategy on the board. His answer was obvious given his previous patronizing lesson and I figured that if I was going to get nothing else out of it at this point, I was going to pull a takemiya and play the moves I believed in. He just sorta slapped it away and started laying out a block of territory on the side and then one in center showing how many stones made how much territory.

I tried to show why I believed my move had potential. He pulled it off the board and just gestured at the little squares of territory he had built. Finally, I realized that I wasn't getting out of there until he was satisfied, and just started making the obvious moves. That's when he left.

hahaha... actually, this kinda reminds me of a recent lesson I was trying to give to a DDK (at least 10+ stones weaker, I think. maybe not).

(and I don't mean to make light of or belittle your experience at all -- especially since I don't have your shoes)

my "student" kept trying to play complicated moves and overplays, and I kept trying to tell him to just keep it simple [for now].

I can imagine the pro feeling something similar towards you, to keep it simple before trying complicated. And from what I understand of their teaching methods (from reading Mr Yilun Yang's books, etc.), that they just expect their students to obey without questioning (or something to that affect).

snorri · **#23**

I think I'm siding with Tami's simple hypothesis at this point.

SmoothOper · **#24**

xed_over wrote:

shapenaji wrote:

I made the move I believed was right (And trust me, this board was completely open to interpretation.) I suspected he was after a "There is more territory on the side than in the middle". but I saw excellent reasons for a center strategy on the board. His answer was obvious given his previous patronizing lesson and I figured that if I was going to get nothing else out of it at this point, I was going to pull a takemiya and play the moves I believed in. He just sorta slapped it away and started laying out a block of territory on the side and then one in center showing how many stones made how much territory.

I tried to show why I believed my move had potential. He pulled it off the board and just gestured at the little squares of territory he had built. Finally, I realized that I wasn't getting out of there until he was satisfied, and just started making the obvious moves. That's when he left.

hahaha... actually, this kinda reminds me of a recent lesson I was trying to give to a DDK (at least 10+ stones weaker, I think. maybe not).

(and I don't mean to make light of or belittle your experience at all -- especially since I don't have your shoes)

my "student" kept trying to play complicated moves and overplays, and I kept trying to tell him to just keep it simple [for now].

I can imagine the pro feeling something similar towards you, to keep it simple before trying complicated. And from what I understand of their teaching methods (from reading Mr Yilun Yang's books, etc.), that they just expect their students to obey without questioning (or something to that affect).

I find that it is better not to solicit or give suggestions to people you are actually playing.
A) Generally they arn't qualified. IE they have not taken a professional exam.
B) Even if they were able to beat you, it doesn't mean they understand the strategy that you were trying to employ and can give you tips on that particular strategy. IE we've all heard the line of victory and line of defeat, but that isn't the only way to carve the board.

However, neither of these apply to shapenaji's case I presume.

RobertJasiek · **#25**

Outside East Asia, it is so easy to waste time while improving. E.g., from 14.5k to 9k I wasted (well, it was great fun nevertheless) 1.5 years just because I got the bad advice not to read books yet and nobody told me to learn from my mistakes at all. From 3d to 5d, I wasted over 3 years because about 4 of 5 books I really needed were simply unavailable. For the 1.5 years from 9k to 3d, everything was available at least somehow.

In Western countries before the internet, it was also easy to learn go at a late age. Had I known of its existence, I would, of course, have started playing at 4. I was 20 when I really started.

Maybe that professional was not so well aware of our environmental problems?

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