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Offline oren
 Post subject: Re: Re:
Post #41 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:37 am 
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tomukaze wrote:
Where can I get the sgf to that game, I am curious about their play.
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #42 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:41 pm 
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White lost, so C15 was an overplay! :D Just kidding, although I'm not sure I like the result White got in the top left corner. Black got the corner territory and the outside influence, to boot.

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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #43 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:28 pm 
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Jumped in too late, but here's a link to the discussion previously: viewtopic.php?p=101915. I think my post #2 still stands :p I am also still wondering about my question at post #18 and #20.
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Offline EdLee
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Post #44 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:38 pm 
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lesenv wrote:
the white stone at r14 is still disconnected...
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[go]$$Bcm12
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Strange. :scratch:
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Offline illluck
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Post #45 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:48 pm 
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EdLee wrote:
lesenv wrote:
the white stone at r14 is still disconnected...
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[go]$$Bcm12
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
Strange. :scratch:



I would personally trade the hane block first, but think lesenv is right:

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[go]$$Bcm12 3 tenuki
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Offline EdLee
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Post #46 Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:24 am 
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illluck wrote:
I would personally trade the hane block first, but think lesenv is right:
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[go]$$Bm12 3 tenuki
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O 5 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X 4 . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
illluck, you (and lesenv) are both correct.
But, why do you want to cut first and give W an extra dead stone (your :b16:)?
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X 1 . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Offline illluck
 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #47 Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:54 am 
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@Edlee:

Opps, you are right :oops: For some reason I didn't even think about the possibility of just blocking - it's obviously much better than cutting first.
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Offline Nathan
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Post #48 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:10 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm12 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Ok here are some of my considerations here were L17, s16 hane, and o15

L17 feels a little slow and lets black take the initiative in the center, the hane is ok, but leaves a lot of weakness behind.

o15 feels the most solid, gets to the center, and also works with the aji at r14.

Not overly confident this is the best play here, but its my best guess.
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Offline lesenv
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Post #49 Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:41 am 
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i think this fixed my shape

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[go]$$Wcm12 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Nathan
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Post #50 Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:53 am 
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[go]$$Wcm12 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I feel this is the best way to utilize the aji at r14

There is still aji around o14 but i feel the hane is bigger
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Offline lesenv
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Post #51 Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:12 pm 
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if white takes the right side, i'll take the corner.
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[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O 5 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 3 2 1 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

when white tries to mess with the black shape, i'll get strong first, then counterattack. maybe i won't play M16 immediatly, my :b23:-group isn't well at all. Q12 is an alternative? this is looking at the bottom-right corner... i don't know
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[go]$$Wcm22 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . 6 . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X 2 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 1 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . |[/go]

i think white is going to back off, the i'll back off, too.
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[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Nathan
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Post #52 Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . 2 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


my reading leads to this. I dont feel I made up any of the four stones from this, but it is still playable.

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[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O 6 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 3 2 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 X O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline lesenv
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Post #53 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:20 am 
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i don't know how to avoid the following sequence
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[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O 6 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 3 2 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 X O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm15 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 3 2 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
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Offline Nathan
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Post #54 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:37 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
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Post #55 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:54 am 
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[go]$$Bcm19 Prisoners: none
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Offline Nathan
 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #56 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:48 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O 2 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #57 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:24 am 
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this fight would be complicated but i think black has advantage.
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 4 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline lesenv
 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #58 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:13 pm 
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I somehow lost my diagram, i think this looks better than the last:
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[go]$$Bcm23 2 Cutpoints at a, break through at b
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a 6 X X X O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 0 9 7 . O 2 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a 8 b . 4 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm23 maybe this is better?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

the second diagram is cleaner i think, so i choose this.
the 3-3 invasion was i disaster for me :tmbdown:

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[go]$$Bcm23 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline lesenv
 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #59 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:17 pm 
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i think i'll descend first, to seal off the right side
of course, this is an empty triangle... what to do?
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[go]$$Bcm23 maybe this is better?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
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Offline Nathan
 Post subject: Re: #182 Nathan vs. lesenv
Post #60 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:37 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm23 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I considered tenuki here because those two stones are relatively small and I could take sente, and also hope that b takes the slow move to kill them.

However the descent is sente because q13 threatens to split the group, and with these stones being alive i can get the important point of n14 which sets up a potential ladder. So hopefully I will still come away with sente.

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[go]$$Bcm23 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . O X O O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X X X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . . |
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$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Haha after I posted it I see that it is a horrible misread :), i shouldnt try to read looking at these X's and O's
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