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Why do we need the concept of "stone difference"?
Because the stone difference is the major measure indicating whether a sequence's result should be about equal, should be favourable for a particular player or should be very clearly favourable for a particular player.
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Do you really need to say a joseki is S=2 to know that a tenuki joseki where Black plays two more moves than White is going to be locally favourable for Black? Shouldn`t it be obvious?
A joseki learner does not find it obvious at all! An experienced player will easily identify a result that should have the stone difference 2, but will still have some difficulty to distinguish stone differences 0 from 1. Knowing what stone difference a pattern should have does not need to be the same as what the actual stone difference is. Determining the stone difference then can reveal hamete, trick play or other unduely favourable result.
(Stone difference is also a basic input for the territory and influence ratio explained in the book. Stone difference is also relevant outside josekis for efficiency considerations, and a relevant information for tewari.)
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Is there really any point in having "influence stone difference"?
1) For josekis: it is the easiest, fastest determined comparable measure of influence; it becomes very useful in the book's new theory.
2) In the middle game: it is extremely useful for determining center domination or other superior influence on a moyo or global scale.
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What use is a heuristic for evaluating thickness that does not consider whole-board position?
(Influence stone difference measures also influence stones, not only thickness.)
For the purpose (1), influence stone difference can be determined either for an idealising case of having only a joseki shape in a corner (then the joseki territory / influence ration theory is applicable) or in a more global scale (but then the specific local joseki evaluation theory is not applicable).
For other purposes such as (2), the scale of consideration can be chosen, e.g., as the whole board.
So, by restricting the scope of scale, specific tools are enabled. If one wants to know other things (e.g., strategic context in adjacent corners or applicability of strategic choices available for a joseki of a particular functional type such as 'quick settling'), one would then choose a different scale.
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Again, if a group is 2-alive (N-alive), then what exactly does this tell us?
It tells us, to start with the definition, that its defender can pass (or play unrelated elsewhere) twice before having to start his local defense play in the alternating sequence of attack started by the opponent.
As a consequence (and if connection is similar), the group is very thick. I.e., one can drive opposing running groups to it without easily having to worry about the own group's (wall's) life. The group is also extra-safe from ko threats: the opponent needs to make 2 threats before the player has to react.
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Does it mean you can play tenuki twice before needing to defend?
Yes.
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But so what?
Be happy! You have a thick group!
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Your explanations of joseki choices in pro games seem fairly conventional, and they look to be worthwhile, but there`s nothing about them that suggests a higher quality than similar explanatory comments made in other go books.
If you consider only the pro games and my comments on them, yes. The higher quality WRT to choices is in a) the statement of all the major (strategic) choices made in the joseki variation diagrams (where every other dictionary mentions only a few occasionally or none at all) and b) the functional classification in chapter 2.
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I think your books look quite good, but certainly no better than anything else that I have read.
Have you seen other joseki dictionaries (to keep things simple, let us for the moment stick to Vol. 3) offering
- a functional joseki classification
- a value type classification
- a generally applicable evaluation theory
- stone difference, territory and influence assessed for each joseki
- all major strategic choices stated for all variations?
I have seen no other dictionary with at least either of these features.
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I agree on the need to evaluate joseki, but I don`t think any of the Jasiekian terminology that I`ve so far seen actually tells us anything original. You simply give fancy names to things that either don`t need them or could easily be described in other ways.
Oh, if I wanted to reply to this, we would get dozens of follow-up threads:)
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then you deserve to be given the same treatment.
I love this treatment! May discussion live forever!